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Old 02-15-2013, 03:05 PM   #21
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Bus carrying Carnival Triumph passengers breaks down

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Old 02-15-2013, 04:01 PM   #22
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:30 PM   #23
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Mark,

Didn't the NCL endeavor in Hawaii fail because of the high cost of employing Americans?

And, if I remember correctly, it was extremely difficult finding enough American workers that were willing to work as hard as these crews need to.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:33 PM   #24
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Actually, the hull was started in the US as part of a failed plan by ACL to expand Jones Act cruising. It was bought by NCL and finished overseas, Germany I think, but was granted a special exception to run under Jones Act rules even though a lot of it was built overseas.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:44 PM   #25
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Actually, the hull was started in the US as part of a failed plan by ACL to expand Jones Act cruising. It was bought by NCL and finished overseas, Germany I think, but was granted a special exception to run under Jones Act rules even though a lot of it was built overseas.
Believe you're referring to the Pride of America.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:47 PM   #26
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Mark,

Didn't the NCL endeavor in Hawaii fail because of the high cost of employing Americans?

And, if I remember correctly, it was extremely difficult finding enough American workers that were willing to work as hard as these crews need to.
What I do know from "testimony" from many NCL on-ship personnel, was that Americans didn't like the 12-hour-a-day, 7-days-a-week work schedules. They weren't happy, and that reflected negatively on the passengers' treatment and enjoyment.
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:08 AM   #27
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Some needed perspective;
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:42 AM   #28
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but was granted a special exception to run under Jones Act rules ...
Just to clarify, it is the Passenger Vessel Services Act that restricts the use of foreign flag passenger vessels in US coastwise trade.

The Jones Act, or Merchant Marine Act of 1920, regulates the carriage of cargo or goods between US ports and provides for the rights and protection of seafarers.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:22 AM   #29
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but was granted a special exception to run under Jones Act rules even though a lot of it was built overseas.

"we have the best congress money can buy" Will Rogers.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:48 PM   #30
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Foreign ships...the captain of the Concordia was the first one off the ship to "better coordinate the rescue efforts" so he said.
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Old 02-17-2013, 03:28 PM   #31
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It has happened before , a number of times , do these folks never learn from past dead in the water fun?
What would you like them to learn? As long as the sheeple keep lining up for the next floating buffet there's really no problem from Carnival's perspective.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:45 PM   #32
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Lets see now,
  • too much food
  • too much booze
  • too little exercise
  • norovirus
  • fire at sea
  • sinkings
  • crowded ports of call
Wow, what fun
Add to that: "No working toilets".
Our one and only cruise (circular) was a week on a Norwegian ship out of NYC, in between our visiting NYC and SF, we liked it, a week was enough. The predominantly Filipino crew were great, especially if you travel with a Filipino who gets on with them.
As for the "Triumph". Renaming coming up? An unreliable cruise ship here claimed to be "the funship", passengers got money back so often someone called it the "refund ship".
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:30 AM   #33
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"What would you like them to learn?"

Redundancy , the ability to NOT go Dead in the Water from a single problem.
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:33 AM   #34
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Going "black" on an American ship is a big deal. The Coast Guard requires a complete report on the event. My son is a chief engineer on American cargo ships and had a 5 minute "black" event. The CG report was voluminous.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:15 PM   #35
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Some needed perspective;

Murray - Regarding your insightful text inside picture on post # 27...

You have open heart, clear mind, and seeing eyes. Congrats!

As must too often be stated: "Life Isn't Fair For Everyone!"

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Old 02-20-2013, 12:17 PM   #36
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There unfortunately is very little information (at least that I could find) about how the boat's systems are designed, and why the failure was so complete.

I did read one very interesting thing. The ship has two separate engine rooms, presumably to firewall (literally and figuratively) a problem in one area from taking out everything. This particular failure was a return fuel line on one of the generators which leaked and the fuel ignited. By the way, it takes a lot of heat to ignite diesel, but that's another subject...

Anyway, the fire suppression system worked and doused the fire. But what's interesting is that the failure only took out one generator, and the engineers elected not to restart the generators in the unaffected engine room. The fire suppression chemicals probably explain why they didn't restart anything in the room where the fire occurred, but why not restart the equipment in the other room? They must have had a really good reason, but what do you suppose it was?

It's so aggravating that no news service anywhere bothers to inquire about what happened, but rather elect to talk about the crap and urine in the halls.
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