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Old 01-08-2020, 06:04 PM   #1
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B737-800 crash in Iran

Ok flyboys, what`s the story? No politics that would upset the Site Team.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:23 PM   #2
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I have more questions than answers for now.


The size of the debris field will be an early clue. The debris field will be larger if the plane came apart at altitude. An intact plane that size will leave a smaller debris field in an impact zone. If a weapon is indicated, was it deployed from inside or outside the plane? The crash zone appears to be almost directly downrange from the runway.

What communications were terminated when? Another area for some early clues. I haven't seen reports of a distress call.

It will be difficult to separate the politics for a while. Airlines are avoiding the area for now. We may never know who prepped the plane for flight and who the passengers were.


Reportedly the first fatal accident for the Ukraine airline, founded in the early 1990s.
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Apparently there was one passenger missing. Bomb is my bet. Somebody had a hate on for someone. That whole part of the world is batshit.
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I spent a decade living in “that” part of the world and our impression when over there was that “this” part of the world was equally batshit
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Old 01-09-2020, 08:04 AM   #6
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Well I recently wrapped my hat in tinfoil and that seems that have smoothed things out for me
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I’m wondering if Iranian electronic counter measures scrambled the air planes computer.
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I think it's way too early to speculate on any causes. The ONLY thing we know for sure is the plane crashed with loss of all aboard. I have a somewhat remote, personal involvement with this tragedy.
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It's hard not to speculate. One comment I read mentioned a perfect headline-trifecta: Iran, Ukraine and Boeing.

I've only heard one meaningful clue so far: Communication stopped abruptly. No indication of any glide time (like if it had been simple engine failure) or declaration of emergency by the crew. Smarter people than I can interpret what that might mean, but apparently even the airline has been walking back their initial acceptance of the engine failure theory.
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My gut feel is that it was brought down by missile or bomb. But I have nothing to back that up.

If it was brought down by a trigger happy missile operator, we may never know as that would embarrass the Iranians. They will do what ever to keep it hidden.
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Don't know if it's telling or not, Iran refused to turn over the black boxes to anyone (Boeing or NTSB). Wondering if they have the ability to analysis its data?

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Don't know if it's telling or not, Iran refused to turn over the black boxes to anyone (Boeing or NTSB). Wondering if they have the ability to analysis its data?

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If it was a missile, they already know what took it down and then no need to read the boxes.

The Iranians are pretty tech savvy, I'm sure they can figure it out.
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I do find it interesting that 138 people onboard were bound for Canada.

All of the Persians that I work with are fairly vocal that they are no fan of their government(s) that they left behind.

I'm sure that there will be friends or families of my coworkers affected.

Tredeau won't be pressing to find any results that might make things uncomfortable with him or his UN buddies; or give credit to Trump. As in the immortal words of Nigel Tufnel to "best leave it... unsolved."

I have a feeling there will be a big shrug of indifference all around on this one. Remeniscent of Air India Flight 182, if remeniscent is the right word, because no one actually remembers it.
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Appears to be an "own goal."
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Appears to be an "own goal."
Sheeesh!
If what is emerging now, that a Ukraine plane may have been taken down by an Iranian missile, how is that even remotely close to an own goal?
2 countries.
Iran........2,000 miles.......Ukraine.
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Many innocent dead to mourn

Wait for the objective information, the who, what, when, where, why and how, before you start brawling. There's a whole lot about this one we are never going to know.
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Mr. B. I fully concur.
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Objective information? Yeah. We will all wait for that.

50 years maybe?
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Canadian PM is saying their info is an Iranian missile, by mistake, is the cause. That has been echoed elsewhere. Is it true,I don`t know,but it`s horribly sad. Canada lost ?63 citizens.
It`s a sad reminder of MH17,deliberately(perhaps misidentified)brought down by a missile over Ukraine with 100% loss of life.
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Canadian PM is saying their info is an Iranian missile, by mistake, is the cause.
To me, a "mistake" is worse than a deliberate act.

On the other hand it's easy to say "ooops" after the fact.
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