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Old 02-27-2013, 10:24 PM   #21
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I bought the third Mac sold in Seattle in 1984 to write my first book on. I have used Macs at home ever since, going through a number of generations of them up through today.

Boeing, after thrashing around with a number of types of computers including Mac, finally settled on PC/Microsoft Windows, most recently Windows 7.

So I use both every day. And as far as I and everyone in my department are concerned, Windows is the most unintuitive, trouble-prone, unstable piece of electronic crap ever conceived. And they manage to make it worse with every new iteration.

From all the people I encounter in the course of my work, Windows is almost universally hated. The only thing hated more are Microsoft's applications for it-- Office, Outlook, etc. which also get worse--- more unintuitive, frustrating, and bloated--- with every new version.

While I understand the frustrations that can arise from Apple's closed architecture, from a purely user point of view, Apple is both intuitive and user friendly. Recently several of my co-workers have given up on Windows after years of using it at home and changed to Macs. Listening to them talk about setting up and using their new Macs is like listening to ex-smokers wax evangelic about the evils of smoking (aka Windows).

A long time ago I read a lengthy evaluation of Apple and PC (Windows) and what characterized the users of each system. I don't remember all the points that were made but the bottom line was that a PC user is likely to be analytical, precise, highly skewed toward following rigidly defined processes, very focussed, not very flexible, and very much into "data."

An Apple user is likely to be creative, free-thinking, have a variety of mostly creative interests, likes finding new ways of doing things, and is not at all interested in adhering to rigid processes.

Based on my experience and observation over the last almost three decades of personal computer use, I would have to say that this fellow's analysis rings pretty true.

There are certainly exceptions--- I would never have figured Eric for an Apple user based on his posts to this forum, for example. On the other hand he certainly takes a creative, unique, and "out of the box" approach to things like anchoring and a lot of other technical subjects, so in reality I guess he actually fits the Apple "personality" very well.

Boeing's most revered engineer is Ed Wells, who started with the company in 1931 and was instrumental in moving it into the jet age after the war, even contributing to the 757 and 767 designs long after his retirement. In an extensive interview I did with him in the 1980s I asked him why he had been quick to embrace the switch from piston to jet propulsion.

"Because," he said, "I realized that life's simply too short to spend it working on propellers."

In the same vein, I feel that life's too short to spend it screwing around with Windows.
I use Mac Pro at home, use an iPod touch, and have a iPad for mobile use. I am close to converting to an iPhone as my blackberry is nearing it's life's end. I like the way all these devices sync together, but most of all I like that all these devices WORK. I still have an old PC running Windows XP, probably the only decent OS Windows has come up with. I'm sort of forced to keep a PC going only because some things are just not yet compatible with Macs, and I need the PC to open them. Anyway, the best of both worlds can be had by using a Mac with one of the programs that allow PC programs to run on the Mac..like Boot Camp, which I think is free.
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I should add that I do plan to use Boot Camp or a similar program and get rid of the old PC.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:53 PM   #24
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Most days I go to work in a t-shirt and flips. OK!
"You non-conformists are all alike".... Really! Us?
How strange it is, that it should be so clear to all but he!
How strange what is?
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Strange, strange indeed!
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Time was when Mac's protected folks from the Evil Empire, aka MS pervasive and bloated operating system and applications.

But then Apple became the Evil Empire. The iPhones are great, but be careful if rain is even forecast - they might get wet and die. They could probably fix this, other vendors can. But leave it as it is to get more (replacement) product through the stores....

My biggest beef is that when a Mac and associated stuff like Time Machine stop working due to software issues there isn't much you can do. Tools are primitive. My Mac wont backup to Time Capsule apparently because of a disk issue. But Disk Verify works on the Mac without a problem, and Time Machine will backup my Mac to a portable HDD. Problem thus should be in the Time Capsule. But it backs up both my daughters Mac's without a problem. So, delete the backup of my Mac on Time Capsule and start a new backup. Fails. Investigative tools to resolve issues? Not from Apple....

Then there is Office for Mac. Used for 3 years without too much trouble but missed the full functionality of the MS version of Office. Recently Outlook for Mac was slow to start. Thinking it was too many emails I decided to Archive and delete the less important. The Archive function is quite primitive, but did work. Thank goodness.

A week later Outlook for Mac refuses to start, and all attempts to rebuild the "Identity" fail. So establish a new Identity, restore an old one from a backup the day before failure. No go. The backup restores but the Identity is still unreadable. Dig around with Google for a while only to discover that backing up Outlook for Mac is problematic unless you stop the "Microsoft Database Daemon" first. Not very intuitive at all, no user instructions to that effect that I'm aware of. And very cumbersome relative to a failssafe backup system that Time Machine is supposed to provide. I figured the fallback solution was to setup a new Outlook for Mac identity and import the archive. Then I found Outlook would not connect to any of the several email servers I use. At that point Outlook for Mac wasn't something I was willing to rely on going forward, even if I could trouble shoot it.

It finally dawned on me that trying to use Office for Mac was a disaster waiting to happen - MS didn't build it very well, and don't provide much in the way of tools for it, or support. And Apple don't support it either. Its a half baked piece of rubbish (Outlook for Mac anyway) that no-one takes any responsibility for.

So now I have my old email on Outlook for Mac thanks to the Archive at least being readable. And I am now using Mac Mail for new email. Mac Mail kinda sucks, but its working. All in all I only lost a weeks email, rather fortunate to have made an archive that recently.

I do have Boot Camp and 8GB Ram on my Macbook, and I allocated 4GB to Windows 7. I normally use VMware Fusion to run Windows, so don't have to close the Mac down and reboot in the other OS. I can have both operating systems running at the same time: Mac on one screen and Windows on another screen. This works pretty well given the RAM I have. I set up Windows because of those programs only available on Windows, but don't use them very often. When the time comes to replace the Mac, probably this year, I think I will leave it as Mac only. And then buy an el cheapo Windows laptop for the legacy Windows applications.

Rant over. But whatever Mac stuff you have, be aware that things will stop working. Be prepared!
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Until last year I, too, thought an iPad was little more than a glorified e-reader. Then I got one. The music composer/arranger/ conductor/director I use for all my original music scores told me, when you get one you'll wonder how you managed to live your life without it, and he was right.

Today, I do virtually everything on the iPad. Write on it using either Pages or MS Word, open, create, or edit MS Office documents like Excel, PowerPoint, take handwritten notes during meetings, read and edit PDFs, download and store and modify our international travel itineraries. I have an app that contains a super-detailed street map of the entire planet. We are currently in Brazil and we've used the iPad for street maps of Rio, São Paulo, and two smaller cities we've worked in. Same thing for Beijing, Doha, Dubai, and Abu Dhabi.

For boating we have a charting app with Actve Captain overlaid on it, a couple of excellent tide and current apps.

On a music video shoot the other week the musical director I mentioned above used his iPad as the playback device for the musician. Score loaded on the iPad and fed into a PA system with a cue-re-cue app that let's the playback begin at any precise point in the score. My wife and I are producing a full-up CD featuring this musician and the people she performs with and the recording engineer on the project (same guy I use for my work) will most likely use his iPad as the multi-track recording device in the concert hall where we will be doing the original recording. He has all sorts of cables made up that let his iPad be fed directly from his mixers and mic pre-amps.

All in all an amazing device if one takes advantage of it. I currently have 55 apps installed on mine, most of them for work-type functions that I either couldn't do at all on a portable, international basis or had to lug a laptop around or use pen and paper.

My friend was right. I have no idea how I managed to live my professional life before without it.
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When you learn how to read, you let me know. And when you do, re-read the first paragraph in my post number 8. Take your time, pace yourself, move your lips if that makes easier to comprehend the words, and do you best to decipher the meaning of "... going through a number of generations of them until today."

I swear, sometimes writing stuff for this crowd is like trying to teach my dog Spanish......

..chuckle.........thats funny....I needed that Marin I'm doin taxes

I think what you do is the same thing I do, we get so wrapped up in an idea we overlook the obvious. I recognize this trait because of a flexible creative mind that isnt stuck in the old apple rut like some I know......te..he..
Good morning Marin
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