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Old 09-11-2013, 10:17 AM   #1
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Your thoughts on anchors

Pretty much been using Danford style anchor for 30 years on varies boats, but to be honest we only anchor in familiar areas (sandy) so it worked for us, unless of course the wind does a 180 and then breaking loose is not uncommon.

So looking to anchor more, in conditions from Maine to Bahamasí therefore Danford only won't cut it.

So looking at sailing forums and some searching here, we seem to have "new generation anchors" and those more traditional Bruce, plows and CQR types.

Reading some good things about Rocna and Manson's, how do they stack up to older style Bruce or Delta?

Thoughtful discussion would be greatly appreciative.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:46 AM   #2
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You won't find any shortage of anchor opinions and discussions on this forum....for sure. While you're getting these opinions, try to keep in mind that most of us have preferences, and are often faithful to what designs have given us the most loyal service. Currently, I keep a Delta, Bruce, and Fortress styles onboard and am looking for a Manson or Rocna to add to the pulpit.
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MarlinMike,

A quick search here will turn up a lot of threads that talk about anchors. It is kind of related to the type of discussions akin to single vs twins. Sorting thru the posts will quickly show everyone's favorite, depending on many factors. Long threads talking merits and demerits of each type. Don't forget to include rode discussions, caternary, angles, steel construction, aluminum and many other facets of this discussion. Hours of reading available should you choose to accept this mission. Good luck!

We switched to a Rocna 7 years ago from a CQR and are on our 3rd boat still using a Rocna. We carry a fortress and a Danforth as backup. Mostly because the GB came with the Danforth and we already had the Fortress. Have only used the Rocna to this point, even in 40 knot winds. Like its quick set and hold. It works for us quite well.
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Thanks guys, I have been reading some very interesting discussions on this site, covering fluke angles, shank lengths etc. Also reading anchor pull tests, but at this point looking for anchor type info covering different areas (Chesapeake,Maine etc) and your actual experience, like kolive with 40knot winds etc.

Thank you for your input.
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Old 09-11-2013, 11:29 AM   #5
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The only consensus I ever see on anchoring threads by people who have anchored a lot....is that it's more HOW you anchor and what you are using than WHAT anchor you are using.

The newer designs seem to have taken some of the flaws out of some of the older designs...but even the new ones have weaknesses that are magnified by bottom, conditions, type of rode and how you anchor....these weaknesses seem to come from general comments discussed by those out there anchoring day in and day out.

There's no one source for that info...just reading hundreds of opinions and deciding the validity for yourself.
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Most anchor discussions are "out w the old in w the new" talk.

If your Danforth is big enough and your anchoring skills are good enough it should serve you well.

But if you should bend your shank there are many choices for new anchors. The Danforth seems to work at short scope as does the Claw and many of the newer anchors fall short there.

The newer anchors are better in most ways but as you can see there are lots of old anchors that have been holding boats in place for a very long time. And if you look at fish boats some anchor designs are 100 years old.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:51 PM   #7
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I have a Delta, but Eric has me eyeing the Manson Boss.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #8
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There is a Manson Supreme for sale on the Cruisers site, 45 lbs for 300.00.

mwwalters@earthlink.net

I know nothing about this except from the ad. Location is South Florida.
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Don do some anchor testing ... Get the Boss.

Don't think it's in any anchor test and no one has commented here about their performance.

How often do you get a 50 knot gale in your area?

The Boss looks like it could outperform anything. No unnecessary weight or extra non-fluke appendages to impede holding power ... except the shank. And Manson has a lot of experience and no baggage. They make a wide variety of anchors so ther'e not trying to sell you their magic cure all hook. I'm thinking it's got to be better than the Supreme and look at the record there. The only possible downside that I see is that it may be built light. I picked one up at the boat show and was suppressed at how light it seemed. But then holding power per lb should be more than supreme. Pun intended.
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There is a Manson Supreme for sale on the Cruisers site, 45 lbs for 300.00.

mwwalters@earthlink.net

I know nothing about this except from the ad. Location is South Florida.

I tried to reach that guy by PM and also using his e-mail as above. The e-mail came back "undeliverable" and no response to the PM or original ad. Duh?!
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Here you go guys. One of these with a huge pile of chain sitting on top of it will keep you secure.

Not a bad idea for me but would probably sink my boat.

http://m.govliquidation.com/mobile?c...ls&event=12146
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I tried to reach that guy by PM and also using his e-mail as above. The e-mail came back "undeliverable" and no response to the PM or original ad. Duh?!
Too far for me, plus saw Defender Marine up by us had the 20kg (44lb) Rocna for $386.39, I could pick up and save shipping when I drive by the place, still researching/listening. Also noticed the Manson now go for more money, $40 for equivilent size.
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Anchors are a compromise of attributes. None do everything best.

We have anchored out almost 50 times so far on the Great Loop and never had a problem setting or holding. We are using a 44 lb claw anchor with 300 feet of 5/8" chain. The bottoms have been mostly sand, clay, or grass. Under these conditions I suspect that any style anchor would have performed just as well.

Bigger is better if you have room.
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Anchors are a compromise of attributes. None do everything best.

We have anchored out almost 50 times so far on the Great Loop and never had a problem setting or holding. We are using a 44 lb claw anchor with 300 feet of 5/8" chain. The bottoms have been mostly sand, clay, or grass. Under these conditions I suspect that any style anchor would have performed just as well.

Bigger is better if you have room.
5/8 chain?

That's pretty hefty...most smaller yachts use 5/16 or 3/8...

that's coming up on 1200 pounds of chain...I have 200 feet of 5/16 which strength exceeds the holding power of my 60+ pound manson and is only a little over 200 pounds of chain (which is noticeable in trim).
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Sailing, tried many anchors Cape Cod to Trinidad and back. Danforth HiTinsel always worked, sold off others, never looked back.
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I am a Danforth fan for sure. I have a 35 lb high tensile and all chain (5/16) and that is my "A" anchor. Secondary is a 44 lb Delta that has dragged once or twice in the past. The Danforth hasn't.
When I am in weedy areas, like during my summer trips that past couple of years into Canada's fresh water, I change anchors and use the Delta on the chain as my "A" anchor because the Danforth pretty much sucks in weeds in my experience (I sharpened it per suggestions here but haven't tried it in weeds yet).
But in Long Island sound (my home grounds) , Hudson River, New Jersey, Chesapeake Bay, I prefer the Danforth.
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Hello,

I just sent him an email from the Cruisers site asking for a contact number. If he replies I will forward it own to you.

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Danforths can be great, but I dislike their ability to pinch fingers and bring up a bucket-load of muck.
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5/8 chain?

That's pretty hefty...most smaller yachts use 5/16 or 3/8...
Yes ps, it is 5/16. Thanks for catching that.
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