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Nomad Willy
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Let me show you my latest anchor acquisition.
Bought it at an ""Industrial Supply" store. I think it was made by a salvage company for their own use. It was cheap but I bought it because I like the Danforth design even knowing it's shortcomings. This anchor is not frail like all Danforths I'd ever seen. The man at the store said it came from a salvage co and implied he had more of them so I suspect the "boss" (at the salvage co) said "I'm tired of bent anchors" and told the not so busy welder to make some dups that wouldn't bend so easily. The shank and the stock bar are both 3/4".
I really don't know how it/they came about but I liked it immediately and bought it. It has "30" stenciled on a fluke so I assumed it was 30#. I weighed it on a good scale at home and it came in at 35#.
The other unique thing about the anchor is that the fluke flange is welded onto the inside of the fluke and dosn't fade out to nothing at the fluke tip like all other Danforths. See pic. Not only should this extended flange give strength the tip it may be better at penetrating hard bottoms. Something that Danforth anchors do poorly as testified by some TF members.
The biggest downside of this anchor is probably the same as some Rocna's. Not made out of stout stuff. It's probably just mild steel. The forged shank of a real Danforth was a skinny thing but stronger than it looked. But I can repair it w 4140 or whatever at some time in the future. If I use the anchor. My fascination w anchors is weakening so experimenting may scum to just getting the job done. As most know I have a number of other anchors and none have let me down even to drag a little.
There was a commercially built anchor that many fishermen still depend on in SE AK .. the Dreadnought. They have/had a round shank like Pac Mule's Danforth but the Dreadnought's shank is very long.
Bought it at an ""Industrial Supply" store. I think it was made by a salvage company for their own use. It was cheap but I bought it because I like the Danforth design even knowing it's shortcomings. This anchor is not frail like all Danforths I'd ever seen. The man at the store said it came from a salvage co and implied he had more of them so I suspect the "boss" (at the salvage co) said "I'm tired of bent anchors" and told the not so busy welder to make some dups that wouldn't bend so easily. The shank and the stock bar are both 3/4".
I really don't know how it/they came about but I liked it immediately and bought it. It has "30" stenciled on a fluke so I assumed it was 30#. I weighed it on a good scale at home and it came in at 35#.
The other unique thing about the anchor is that the fluke flange is welded onto the inside of the fluke and dosn't fade out to nothing at the fluke tip like all other Danforths. See pic. Not only should this extended flange give strength the tip it may be better at penetrating hard bottoms. Something that Danforth anchors do poorly as testified by some TF members.
The biggest downside of this anchor is probably the same as some Rocna's. Not made out of stout stuff. It's probably just mild steel. The forged shank of a real Danforth was a skinny thing but stronger than it looked. But I can repair it w 4140 or whatever at some time in the future. If I use the anchor. My fascination w anchors is weakening so experimenting may scum to just getting the job done. As most know I have a number of other anchors and none have let me down even to drag a little.
There was a commercially built anchor that many fishermen still depend on in SE AK .. the Dreadnought. They have/had a round shank like Pac Mule's Danforth but the Dreadnought's shank is very long.
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Eric, in your case,it`s probably more the set than the anchor that does the job. You have some odd bits of kit, shopkeepers with unusual anchors might rub their hands in joy when you enter, though sometimes they`d get a knock back and some advice, instead of $.
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My main anchor is a no-name made locally. This stockless style anchor is by far the most popular anchor in this area. The Rocna's are the second choice.
This cruising style is quite popular as well. I am in complete control, although you can't see my remote autohelm in the hammock.
This cruising style is quite popular as well. I am in complete control, although you can't see my remote autohelm in the hammock.
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Nomad Willy
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Yea Steve,
I'm no welder but I was thinking of halving those unwelded sections welded up. Now that it's galvanized that may be rather toxic. Probably won't make enough difference to make it worthwhile.
But it's likely I'm not understanding what you mean by "wrap the corners".
AusCan ... "This stockless style anchor is by far the most popular anchor in this area." ..... What stockless anchor is that?
I'm no welder but I was thinking of halving those unwelded sections welded up. Now that it's galvanized that may be rather toxic. Probably won't make enough difference to make it worthwhile.
But it's likely I'm not understanding what you mean by "wrap the corners".
AusCan ... "This stockless style anchor is by far the most popular anchor in this area." ..... What stockless anchor is that?
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Steve
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Wrapping the corner would be bringing the weld around the point of the fluke an inch or so. Galvanized can be welded in proper ventilation but it looks to me like what you have there now will be fine.
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Eric - I know most "stockless" type anchors tend to have a flatter & wider fluke, but I think the term covers a variety of fluke shapes.
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The type I have is popular locally to penetrate the heavy weed beds.
Do you have a different term for it?
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Nomad Willy
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Aus Can,
I usually don't think of a Bruce or a Rocna as stockless anchors but of course they are. However most anchors at one time had stocks and were basically Kedge types. When the average person thinks of an anchor they think of the double hook thing hanging under the bowsprit of a old square rigged ship. They basically all had stock bars. The norm was an anchor with a stock. Almost all Danforths do have them to this day. My Dreadnought is stockless as are Navy anchors. And as in your link ... "Navy stockless anchor". So I view it as an old expression that has hung on for a very long time.
Well Aus I was just curious what the "other" anchor was/is that's popular in your area. "Down under" is so far away from where I live I'm curious what they/you use down there.
I usually don't think of a Bruce or a Rocna as stockless anchors but of course they are. However most anchors at one time had stocks and were basically Kedge types. When the average person thinks of an anchor they think of the double hook thing hanging under the bowsprit of a old square rigged ship. They basically all had stock bars. The norm was an anchor with a stock. Almost all Danforths do have them to this day. My Dreadnought is stockless as are Navy anchors. And as in your link ... "Navy stockless anchor". So I view it as an old expression that has hung on for a very long time.
Well Aus I was just curious what the "other" anchor was/is that's popular in your area. "Down under" is so far away from where I live I'm curious what they/you use down there.
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There is a huge range of anchors in use. My last boat had an imprint moulded into the foredeck for a Danforth, but carried a plough, which is probably still the most popular type here. I don`t think boat owners give anchor choice and updating enough priority, certainly not the priority level Eric would give it.
I don`t often see a Bruce claw type. The newer rollbar/triangular spade types are making inroads, and not just the Sarca brand. I`m satisfied they beat plough performance.
I don`t often see a Bruce claw type. The newer rollbar/triangular spade types are making inroads, and not just the Sarca brand. I`m satisfied they beat plough performance.
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A while back I did a quick survey of the anchors, just walking around our marina, and the top four in order were:
Klip - Stockless - or whatever it is I have
Rocna
Admiralty/Kedge
Danforth
Klip - Stockless - or whatever it is I have
Rocna
Admiralty/Kedge
Danforth
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The most common anchor composition of ocean-capable cruisers in my marina (mostly 40-50-foot ketches) are a plow and a claw.
At my marina, the top one would be whatever came with the boat, usually a Danforth knock off. Many have never left the pulpit.
Rheal
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What do you think of this type of anchor. You can't buy them in Canada yet.
Mooring system for boats (double anchors) - EXTRA - Weber Marine Ltd. - Videos
Mooring system for boats (double anchors) - EXTRA - Weber Marine Ltd. - Videos
psneeld
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I like it...would have to hear more real world testing to switch but it looks like someone has developed a better mouse trap!
I am not sure that dual anchor system would really add much in normal situations. I gather from the video that one would drop the first anchor some distance, engage a chain lock on the second and then continue to drop it. Which anchor sets first and how does that affect the second anchor setting? It seems that if there is any slack in the chain between the two anchors, then the load is still being carried by only one anchor. I would like to see a video of the anchors hitting bottom and being set. It also increases the chances of a fouled anchor.
Nomad Willy
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AusCan,
A Klip is like a Danforth isn't it? Is that the Danforth like anchor that Manson makes? They show a Danforth like anchor w some text about fishermen.
A Klip is like a Danforth isn't it? Is that the Danforth like anchor that Manson makes? They show a Danforth like anchor w some text about fishermen.
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Cant wait to hear Eric`s evaluation on this one. It would look good on my pulpjt, which is the important thing. Could bring up a heck of a clump, though.
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No - nothing like a Danforth,
The flukes are more like on a kedge type anchor, but it has two holding rather than one.
Probably has poor holding in soft sand or mud, but great for heavy vegetation on a limestone bottom.
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Actually I agree, and more to the point, it looks like a thinly disguised way for Wemar to produce what looks like an almost exact copy of the Rocna, (i.e. roll bar with concave fluke), but get around patent by adding in a female version in tandem with convex instead of concave fluke. However, setting it well, and being sure both are set well, would be tricky, and altogether too much trouble for the most common usage situation.
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That looks like a royal PITA to deploy and retrieve and I have to wonder how it would work for folks who anchor where there's a strong reversing tidal current.
My claw anchor has never let me down, it is easy to use, has no moving parts to wear or break, and it's relatively inexpensive as far as anchors go.
That looks like a royal PITA to deploy and retrieve and I have to wonder how it would work for folks who anchor where there's a strong reversing tidal current.
My claw anchor has never let me down, it is easy to use, has no moving parts to wear or break, and it's relatively inexpensive as far as anchors go.
