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Old 02-27-2011, 08:40 AM   #21
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Woodsong, I guess it depends on the backing of the cleat vs. the windlass.* Usually the windlass is bolted and backed to provide a margin of strength when lifting to the limit of the windlass.* That can be a great deal weaker than a cleat, which should be backed to withstand shock loading, so my instinct would be not to use the cleat on the windlass.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:55 AM   #22
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Use a single SS shackle fastened to the rode where it will ride at about the water line when deployed. The shackle is attached to the loop of a 25' dock line and the other end cleated at the sampson post. When de[ployed I like to leave a little slack in the chain rode to allow the nylon bridle to act as a shock absorber.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:07 AM   #23
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

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Thanks for the link.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:40 AM   #24
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Here's what I use. The plate is a chain grabber from West Marine.
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Old 02-27-2011, 04:29 PM   #25
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

"Could someone attach a picture?"

Here is a design I built which acccomplishes both chain and mooring buoys.* The chain hook is in place when anchoring, and removed and the extension line added when mooring.* You could use the chain hook or chain grabber as you prefer.*
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:12 PM   #26
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Mike,
Thanks for the link. It does beg the question- why on earth did they put that giant cleat atop the body of the windlass if you couldn't attach a snubber to it?
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

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Mike,
Thanks for the link. It does beg the question- why on earth did they put that giant cleat atop the body of the windlass if you couldn't attach a snubber to it?
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:09 PM   #28
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Here's what I use. The plate is a chain grabber from West Marine.
Keith-* That is exactly the same setup I have been using the past twenty years.* Unfortunately West marine no longer sells the Chain Gripper Plate in your photo.* Sea-Dog makes one.* You can get it here:* http://www.sailboatstuff.com/dk_misc.html
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:56 PM   #29
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Few questions...
1 - does my samson post seem to have larger bolts through the deck? Not sure how they are backed below deck, but the 4 bolts seem a little undersized to hold the samson post in a strong blow.

2- Why is my bowsprit weeping rust? Do I have an iron bowsprit?

3 - What should I use those eyebolts for, which are on either side of my windlass?

Sorry for the weird questions, I just bought the boat, and it's 4 hours away in Maine, so I haven't spent much time poking around in detail.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:16 PM   #30
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Tiger, you need to answer the question of backing on the samson's post to know whether it is adequate or not.* If properly backed, it might be fine.

It kind of looks like the bowsprit on which the windlass is mounted is bolted onto the deck.* It's rusting because it's mild steel, so I wonder how much work it would be to unbolt it, along with the windlass and have it powder coated to eliminate that problem, at least for a few years.*

I'm clueless on the eyebolts.* It could be the attachment point for snubbers via snap shackles for the dual rodes you are apparently set up for.* Or possibly a kick ass launching point for a water balloon slingshot array.* Forensic marine maintenance - you got to love it...
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Eye bolts , may be for securing the anchors when under way so that they don't launch them selves or jump out of the roller.
Yes I would definately check the securing of the sampson post thru the deck and ensure that it has a substantial backing plate.

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Old 02-28-2011, 04:16 AM   #32
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"why on earth did they put that giant cleat atop the body of the windlass if you couldn't attach a snubber to it? "

Probably so the unit could be used as a donkey winch.

Pulling on a dock line , hauling on an anchor crane, lifting the dink aboard.
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Pretty sure the eye bolts are for chaining down the galley slave for the monthly exposure to sunshine.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:21 PM   #34
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RE: Stupid Question - How to make fast an all chain rode?

Tony:

I have that windlass. I cleat my snubber to that cleat much of the time. If things are wild, unless I forget, I will move it to the hawse hole and giant deck cleat. I do that to take the strain off of the end of the bowsprit, as I think that is a weaker point than the windlass cleat.
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Probably so the unit could be used as a donkey winch.

Now this is a (steam) donkey:



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Is that what you will be mounting on the foredeck for anchor handeling?

Should not take more than a couple of hours to get steam up, and would make coffee too!
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Is that what you will be mounting on the foredeck for anchor handeling?

Thinking about it.* Here is a possible crane for launching and recovering the dinghy.



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