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Old 10-16-2017, 06:32 PM   #1
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Rope that won't twist/hockle?

Greetings!

For the unusual fore-and-aft mooring system at Angel Island in S.F Bay I needed to buy 2 long lengths of mooring line. Trying to save a little money, I bought 2 200 foot lengths of economy 3/8" nylon 3-strand. It was terrible to use! No matter how carefully I tried to coil it and keep it untwisted, it would twist up and form hockles every few feet. I think I know how to coil rope and keep it untwisted as you go, but this stuff seemed to twist up no matter what I did. When I needed to use it, the hockles would make it tough to deploy, hanging up around a block or cleat etc. all the time. That rope has now been exiled to the local marine consignment store. But I still want to get an overnight mooring at Angel, so I need some new long mooring lines.

So, next time, what kind of rope should I buy that has the least tendency to twist up?

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Old 10-16-2017, 06:35 PM   #2
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Sure it was nylon and not cheap poly?
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:36 PM   #3
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Our 600' stern line we keep on a garden hose reel, never any tangles and easy to roll back up.
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:41 PM   #4
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Right hand lay? And you coiled it clockwise? Three strand has specific needs.

Braided is a little more forgiving I think. That gets coiled in figure eights though. No twist.
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:54 PM   #5
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Right hand lay? And you coiled it clockwise? Three strand has specific needs.

Braided is a little more forgiving I think. That gets coiled in figure eights though. No twist.
3 strand..... coil in left hand, grab a length in your right hand and as you go to coil it, roll the top of the line over with your right thumb and fore finger. You will be coiling clockwise.

You will still see it try to bunch up so every now and then, twirl the free part of the line with your right hand in a clockwise direction..... Works even better if you can lay out the line total length.

I think I have it right.... It is dark and I am not going outside to confirm or disprove this.

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Old 10-16-2017, 07:03 PM   #6
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One way to unkink fishing line was trailing it behind the boat with nothing on the end. Might be worth a try with your line. Provided there are no following boats of course.
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Old 10-16-2017, 07:24 PM   #7
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I would look for an 8 strand brait rope. It does not twist and hockle.

https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/prod...and-47681.html
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I would look for an 8 strand brait rope. It does not twist and hockle.

https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/prod...and-47681.html
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8 brait will not hockle or twist.
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:14 PM   #9
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Oldersalt, I'd bet that whoever you bought it from pulled it off the end of the spool instead of letting it unroll off the spool. That will hockle rope every time.

Buy a brand name three strand that is preshrunk. Samson Pro Set and New England 3 strand are both excellent.

You don't save money buying cheap three strand nylon. You'll notice how nice and soft it feels, that means it will wear out quickly. You want a rope that feels firm and is a little difficult to unlay.

You don't need to buy fancy braided or plaited rope to avoid hockles. Just buy your 3 strand from someone who knows not to pull it off the end of the spool.

By the way, 3/8" seems pretty small for your boat. I suggest you go up to half inch.
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I've used 5/8ths Brait line for my anchor rode for years. Stow my rode in a box on the foredeck .. lay it down as it comes over the bow. It always comes out of the box "without a hitch".
I made a pile on a float once and drew it off and away down the float. No problem.
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