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Old 02-02-2018, 01:01 PM   #1
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One anchor or two?

One item on my 'next boat requirements' list has been the ability to carry two anchors on the bow (and two rodes and a windlass configured for that setup). I had assumed that was both a desirable and fairly standard configuration.

As I look it seems that only KK has that setup as a standard part of the design. Nordhavn, DeFever, Selene all primarily seem to be equipped to handled a single anchor.

That surprises me for boats designed to go off the beaten path.

So I guess this capability isn't as desirable as I thought. Or is it?
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Old 02-02-2018, 01:08 PM   #2
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Our American Tug 435 also came with the two anchor setup standard, with the dual side windlass, and twin anchor lockers.
Fingers-crossed, we have not had an emergency where the 2nd anchor was needed but i'm told it is a good safety measure.
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I don't have it. For my purposes I consider it desirable, expensive, and not necessary. Depends on your risk tolerance, cruising grounds, and spare $$$ available.
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I'm sure boat builders, as in anything, want to keep costs manageable. So the usual plan would be to furnish an "adequate" anchor as standard, anything else would be an upgrade requested by the buyer. I saw this many times in many parts of a vessel when I was building new boats. Basics standard, everything else optioned out.
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So I guess this capability isn't as desirable as I thought. Or is it?
No its not very desirable. I have anchored hundreds, maybe a thousand times over 10,000 miles of cruising. I used two anchors off of the bow exactly once and regretted doing it. The wind clocked back and forth and i had a twisted mess at the bow. I did it because the wind was picking up and I wanted to deploy a Fortress in a V to get better holding. I would have done much better if I had just chained the Fortress to my standard Delta. But I took the easy way out so I didn't have to haul up the anchor, rig up the tandem one and reset.

One good anchor, well set is all that you need. Oh and not to start another anchor war, a Rocna that I later purchased does much, much better than the Delta.

There is a case for a bow and stern anchor. I used that exactly once as well. But this was at Catalina Island where the swell is crosswise to the wind and you want to face the swell otherwise you roll badly.

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We have a twin roller setup but as we use a decent anchor we have no need for a 2nd and couldn't carry it anyway as the main anchor is so big that it is well into where the 2nd anchor would be.
2nd anchor lives down in the anchor locker with rope attached for lifting out.
It would be a major step backwards in performance if we ever had to use it.
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One item on my 'next boat requirements' list has been the ability to carry two anchors on the bow (and two rodes and a windlass configured for that setup). I had assumed that was both a desirable and fairly standard configuration.

As I look it seems that only KK has that setup as a standard part of the design. Nordhavn, DeFever, Selene all primarily seem to be equipped to handled a single anchor.

That surprises me for boats designed to go off the beaten path.

So I guess this capability isn't as desirable as I thought. Or is it?
I have two anchors on the pulpit. I lowered the “second” anchor about ten years ago to see how much chain was attached to it. Other than that, it only gets wet when it rains!

There are times we deploy a stern anchor in addition to the primary anchor on the bow. However, I have never had the need for a second anchor from the bow.

Notice, for the sake of civil discourse, I have not divulged what type of anchors I have on board...
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Some people like duallys in the front so they can match anchor to bottom. Moreso than dropping both at once. But I agree something more portable and not tied to a windlass is desireable both as a spare and for use as a stern or Bahamian moor anchor. In fact I first was taught how to do a Bahamian moor on a Mainship 34 like the OP's, part of a charter club we belonged to. Something like a Fortress is ideal for this type of spare anchor use.
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I carry a second anchor (10K Rocna) under a seat in the dinette with a second 400' rode complete with chain, my primary is a 15K Rocna with 600' and chain. I am too far out to not be able to anchor if I lose my primary. I also carry dive gear so I can recover my primary in less than 150' of water, but have never had to.

Once in a while I use the second rode as a shore line, the end of the chain has a large snap hook in it so I can take it ashore and wrap off on chain.
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Our Defever is set up for two anchors, but we opted for one large anchor on the bow and a second backup in a locker on the flybridge. I decided that having a larger anchor to use every day was better than two smaller anchors, and likely never using the second one.

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I'd consider two anchors on the bow if my cruising grounds were a combination of hard limestone bottom and soft mud. Fortunately we don't have any muddy where I anchor out so the one suits me fine.
I do often use the second off the stern and I'd consider a stern roller there before adding another on the bow.
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I would find dual anchor/ dual gypsy option desirable. Not for the ability to put both anchors out at once but to have different types of anchors ready to go dependent on bottom type. I wouldn't go to the cost and trouble of retrofitting my current setup to a dual setup. It is a want, not a need.
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I have always carried two anchors on the bow using one to anchor 99% (the biggest and best one) of the time, the other is Incase i lose the primary or need a Bahamian moore. Another Anchor and rode is carried in the engine room as an emergency anchor.
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Our Defever is set up for two anchors, but we opted for one large anchor on the bow and a second backup in a locker on the flybridge. I decided that having a larger anchor to use every day was better than two smaller anchors, and likely never using the second one.

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I like that response a lot. For years I've been saying if you're going to add weight to your ground tackle add it to your anchor. Adding 40# to one's rode won't pay very much but imagine adding 40# to the anchor.

And re the thread question I'd say 3 or 4.
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No its not very desirable. I have anchored hundreds, maybe a thousand times over 10,000 miles of cruising. I used two anchors off of the bow exactly once and regretted doing it. The wind clocked back and forth and i had a twisted mess at the bow. I did it because the wind was picking up and I wanted to deploy a Fortress in a V to get better holding. I would have done much better if I had just chained the Fortress to my standard Delta. But I took the easy way out so I didn't have to haul up the anchor, rig up the tandem one and reset.

One good anchor, well set is all that you need. Oh and not to start another anchor war, a Rocna that I later purchased does much, much better than the Delta.

There is a case for a bow and stern anchor. I used that exactly once as well. But this was at Catalina Island where the swell is crosswise to the wind and you want to face the swell otherwise you roll badly.

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We have a twin roller setup but as we use a decent anchor we have no need for a 2nd and couldn't carry it anyway as the main anchor is so big that it is well into where the 2nd anchor would be.
2nd anchor lives down in the anchor locker with rope attached for lifting out.
It would be a major step backwards in performance if we ever had to use it.
Like they said. Most modern multi-bottom performance type anchors (I use a Sarca), render this practice or double anchor set-up superfluous. I would never have used it in 15 years.
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If you are lucky enough to have the best anchors, double the anchor for twice the pleasure 😁
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Our Defever is set up for two anchors, but we opted for one large anchor on the bow and a second backup in a locker on the flybridge. I decided that having a larger anchor to use every day was better than two smaller anchors, and likely never using the second one
Spot-on comment for me as well.
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Our Mainship 400 has twin rollers on the bow, but they are so close together there is really only room for one anchor.

I carry two anchors, a Rocna (primary) and a Fortress (secondary).

The vast majority of the time I only use one anchor, and for the year that we have had the Rocna I have been very pleased. That said there is one spot, a place we go often, in the Bahamas where I always set two. It is a narrow creek with a shallow sandbar on one side and rocks on the other. There is a strong reversing current there. The holding is good. You generally hang with the tide and there is very little wave action, but strong winds could overpower the current and they could blow across the creek.

I don't use a conventional Bahamian moor there, instead I set the Rocna on the sand side of the creek and the fortress on the rocky side. I set the two anchors as directly across the creek from each other as possible. The boat suspends between and down tide of them. I keep the scope short enough that the sand side anchor would hold us off of the rocks, even if the wind was blowing directly across the creek and the rock side anchor would hold us off the sand if the wind blew from that direction.

It works really well in that situation. It's a variation of the Bahamian moor, I guess, but it limits the swing more than the conventional way while still allowing a decent amount of scope. There is too much current there to set a stern anchor.
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I would find dual anchor/ dual gypsy option desirable. Not for the ability to put both anchors out at once but to have different types of anchors ready to go dependent on bottom type. I wouldn't go to the cost and trouble of retrofitting my current setup to a dual setup. It is a want, not a need.

Ditto. And for a faster hot spare in case of losing the first anchor, somehow.

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I carry two on the bow, and have used two on several occasions.
On one occasion it saved my boat from probable destruction.
I carry 2 different types and have changed them around depending upon cruising grounds/bottom type.
Will never cruise without 2 anchors at the ready.
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