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Old 10-04-2014, 10:41 PM   #81
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So you test anchors?

Like Noelex???

Like Fortress?????

You debate and write articles yet offer no stats or charts or pics yet get pretty sticky with Noelex and his process when...where is yours?

You come to TF and only post in anchor threads yet you have no affiliation with anchor manufacturers....

What's up with that????
I only post on anchor threads because I happen to specialise in that area. If you check YBW you will find I similarly limit my comment to anchors and anchoring. I'm not quite sure about your comment on needing an affiliation to anchor makers, Why can someone not spend years testing anchors and the rode (or other product) and report on them independent of a manufacturer and be paid to do same.

Would you desire that I talk about subjects about which I know nothing. I know that is common on the internet - but not my scene.

On Noelex, I agree with Delfin - if you would like me to repeat it, are you suggesting shouting load makes it more right. If you think Noelex process is correct and fair - fine, and I am sure he will appreciate your support. But I (and anyone from a technical background) would laugh their socks off. The images are fantastic, possibly the best collection of underwater mages of anchors anywhere, but that does not make the comments pertaining to those images accurate or fair. Again if you are convinced, fine - but frankly I think it dangerous as people without your knowledge may misinterpret.

By all means challenge anything I say - that's what these threads are about. Its also why I and others are here - anyone who dissents offers a new view that deserves consideration and exploration. It is so much nicer if the debate stays civilised
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:46 PM   #82
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Jonathan--- While I may not be in agreement on some things having to do with anchors, I certainly appreciate your willingness to share on this forum what you've learned and experienced.

When I was eleven or twelve I thought I knew a lot about horses. In fact, I thought I knew everything about horses. One day, when I was shooting my mouth off to the other kids about how they should be doing something or other with their horses, our instructor turned to me and in exasperation told me to shut up and followed this with, "Marin, I've forgotten more about horses than you will ever know."

We've owned our old glass GB36 for 16 years now, and it's easy to get to thinking that I know a hell of a lot about boating. But then I'll get into a forum discussion with someone like Bob Lowe, the founder of the Grand Banks owners forum and the former owner of a boatyard that specialized in both wood and glass Grand Banks, and I'll realize that Bob has probably forgotten more about boats and their care and feeding that I'll ever know. Even if I don't agree with some of his views or opinions, he's a brilliant guy and I'm a better boater and boat owner for knowing him.

One really bad thing about the internet is that all we are to each other are the words we type in this little box. We don't see expressions, we don't hear inflection, we have nothing but the typed words to judge each other by.

The other really bad thing about the internet is that there are no penalties for what we say or how we say it. Again, it's because we are all just typed words to each other. I can call someone a dumbass idiot in this box here, and nothing's going to happen to me outside of the moderators perhaps becoming fed up and and pulling the plug on me.

All this makes it very easy to get carried away in the defense of one's ideas or beliefs or biases to the point where it's a very small step to becoming rude, insulting, and disrespectful. Lord knows I've done it enough times myself.

But I believe that most of the members of this forum--- maybe all of them-- fundamentally appreciate hearing what experience, research, reading, talking to other boaters, and simply paying attention has taught each one of us over the years.

It's not all hearts and flowers, though, and there are folks here who are opinionated and are not afraid to say what they think. There are rough edges and tempers and egos and stuff.

But the bottom line, at least in my opinion, is that we're all better off for being exposed to other people's ideas and opinions, let alone their real-life experience and knowledge.

I don't always agree with Eric Henning (Manyboats). I sometimes get really frustrated at the ideas he holds onto, particularly to do with anchors and anchoring. But I know something of what Eric has done in the boating world. So regardless of how short or sarcastic I might get in a reply to him, I know that when it comes to boating up the Inside Passage and in Southeast Alaska, Eric has forgotten more than I will ever know. He's done real-life things with boats that I will never have the chance to do. And you have to respect something like that. As with Bob Lowe, I'm a better boater because Eric makes me think about stuff, and that's how we learn.

So that's this forum. Whether I agree with you or not on this, that, or the other is not as important as the fact that I've been exposed to what you think or have done, and that gives me something to think about. So I hope you continue to contribute when the mood strikes because in the end, I think we'll all be the better for it.

Cheers,
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Old 10-04-2014, 11:30 PM   #83
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"So that's this forum. Whether I agree with you or not on this, that, or the other is not as important as the fact that I've been exposed to what you think or have done, and that gives me something to think about. So I hope you continue to contribute when the mood strikes because in the end, I think we'll all be the better for it."

Marin you're so right and I don't think anyone will ever top that!!
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Old 10-05-2014, 02:14 AM   #84
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Marin,

Inside you are just a big soft, rather nice lump (and do not take that as being in anyway insulting). I must have had a teddy bear like you.

But you hide that warm, soft,caring interior inside a rather tough facade, I'll try to remember that you are much nicer than me

Thanks Marin.

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Old 10-05-2014, 07:25 AM   #85
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Old 10-05-2014, 07:36 AM   #86
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Old 10-05-2014, 07:52 AM   #87
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I like threads with warmth, humour and music.

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I like threads with warmth, humour and music.



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Old 10-11-2014, 07:59 PM   #89
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Spoke with the Rocna staff at the Annapolis Boat Show. Was told that the reason for the new Rocna was to have an anchor to sell to that portion of the market which cannot fit a rollbar on their anchor pulpit.

No surprise here. Most of us thought this was case.
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Old 10-11-2014, 10:19 PM   #90
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Our Rocna 60 held us just great during the Great loop with the only issue being pulling it up sometimes due to how deep it dug, although we never had to retrieve via the trip line "yet".

Our bow roller didnt like the bar so I modified a "V" rubber attached to the roll bar which then contacted the front of our Defever and protected the bow from damage.

Had the new anchor been available I would have probably gone that route although I know for a fact the roll bar helped correct the anchor when deployed if it contacted the bottom at a bad angle.

I also spoke directly with the NZ designer of the Rocna which is what sold me on this choice especially with 300' of all chain rode.

Next add on is a better anchor wash system.
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Old 10-12-2014, 12:23 AM   #91
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A 15 kg claw has never failed me on my current (14-ton) boat, and neither a smaller version during my sailboating days. So, my success is at least equal with your more modern and expensive anchors.
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