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Old 04-25-2015, 11:47 AM   #61
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Wow, lots of interesting replies. So to avoid further drift.....


1) I'm using 1/4 G7 chain. They don't appear to make the chain markers that small.


2) I have a 25lb Manson Supreme and I do NOT have a windlass.


3) The Admiral deploys and retrieves the anchor manually. I drive up to is and she retrieves the line.


4) We're only talking about 100 ft. of chain.


Neither a windlass nor a chain counter is going to be installed.


I really appreciate everyone's replies. Some great ideas about marking anchor out of water and also at the bitter end of the rode.

Similar w us except we have a small capstan (may get a little better one soon) 15' of chain (but the first 3' is 3/8" chain) and Chris runs the boat while I operate the rode. Paint is all new now.

And I am fully w Marin in post #30 pg 2 . Couldn't agree more as Walt always says.

Shrew, Is your 25lb Manson Supreme actually 28lbs? My 15lb MS was actually 18. Now it's probably 15 since I cut the roll bar off. Haven't used it yet.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:58 PM   #62
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Bringing this thread back from the depths. Bess has gotten us a new anchor/line rode and I have an idea how we want to mark it, but what kind of paint seems to stay on longer or should we just go with easy and cheap Rustoleum and reapply as needed?
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Old 12-16-2015, 05:05 PM   #63
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In our experience any kind of paint will eventually wear off from the rubbing of the links against each other, across the pulpit rollers, the windlass wildcat, and the bottom. It will be discernible for a long time but it will gradually be worn away.

This is why we gave up on paint and simply fastened a white wire tie every ten feet to the top of a link. This keeps it away from the sides and bottom of the wildcat slots.

So if we want 150 feet of chain out whoever's running the windlass simply counts out 15 wire ties. We jot down how many feet are out on a PostIt note and stick it to the helm console. We originally had a clever code of red, white, and blue colors to mark different lengths but could never remember it. We switched to a wire tie every ten feet and things have been dirt simple and confusion-free ever since.
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...should we just go with easy and cheap Rustoleum and reapply as needed?
That's what we do. We haven't found one paint brand that lasts any longer that an other. We just make sure that the chain has been well rinsed with fresh water and dry before painting.
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Tried paint, cable ties and the little colored things that go into links. All ok but as I'm usually solo and operate the windlass remotely I tired of having to watch the chain run out, not willing to look away in case I missed a marker.

So a couple of months ago I did a self install of a Cruz Pro. Pretty easy, but as usual running wires was a PITA. The counter is great, a very nice to have item even if not absolutely necessary.
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Old 12-16-2015, 05:59 PM   #66
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I use colored line and weave into the chain links. Lasts a very, very long time and if you use two feet or so of line, very hard to miss as it goes over board.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:10 PM   #67
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Paint. I have tried several and one time even used a galvanized primer and then painted. Can't recall any paint lasting longer than any other. Thus every year or two I repaint. Since I pull the chain out at the end of each season to wash and dry painting is fairly easy.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:21 PM   #68
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I looked at all the options and chose paint. Krylon from walmart seems to be as good as any and cheap enough. Made my painted sections 5' long and assumed I would loose most of the paint over a year or 2. Figured if there were small spots of paint over 5', it would be easier to see than small spots over 1 or 2'.

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Markers made of strips of spinnaker cloth.

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Old 12-16-2015, 07:02 PM   #70
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On our first overnight trip on this boat, I found the chain not marked at all. Rooted through the spares locker and my tool bag and found 1 blue, 3 chartruese green, 1 red, and about 300 black ty-wraps. That became my marking system. 30 ft- red, 60 ft green, 90 ft blue, 5 ft from end - black, green, black, green (bumble bee). RGB like the TV monitors of old. I left the tail on and they are still hanging in there for the 3rd season. Its not rocket science!
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I just count the time ... one potato, two potato, and so on. Have about three foot per count.

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I looked at all the options and chose paint. Krylon from walmart seems to be as good as any and cheap enough. Made my painted sections 5' long and assumed I would loose most of the paint over a year or 2. Figured if there were small spots of paint over 5', it would be easier to see than small spots over 1 or 2'.

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We did the same about a year and a half ago. Still on there but will most likely have to redo it next summer sometime. I think painting more links in longer sections help a lot.
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Tried paint, cable ties and the little colored things that go into links. All ok but as I'm usually solo and operate the windlass remotely I tired of having to watch the chain run out, not willing to look away in case I missed a marker.

So a couple of months ago I did a self install of a Cruz Pro. Pretty easy, but as usual running wires was a PITA. The counter is great, a very nice to have item even if not absolutely necessary.
Congrats Brian. They don't get it do they..? All the money they spend on expensive GPS, plotters, auto helms, AIS, VHF etc, and yet deal with one of the most common on board tasks with cable ties, spinnaker strips, painted sections, coloured plastic whatevers...even one potato, two potato, and so on, when all they need is one of these cheap as chips thingies...

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Congrats Brian. They don't get it do they..? All the money they spend on expensive GPS, plotters, auto helms, AIS, VHF etc, and yet deal with one of the most common on board tasks with cable ties, spinnaker strips, painted sections, coloured plastic whatevers...even one potato, two potato, and so on, when all they need is one of these cheap as chips thingies...
Just waiting for the wireless / Bluetooth 21st century version that can either be used at the helm or the pulpit.

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I have 30' of chain and the fabric markers from West marine on the line. Works for me.


It seems to me that if you have all chain you could rig up something to count the turns of the gypsy and convert that to feet for an exact reading.
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Following my general belief that while cruising everything will break, cease to function, at the wrong time, I have continued to paint the chain even after installing a chain counter.

Sure enough, I have now been in a situation where the chain counter didn't work (magnet fell out) and a situation where I couldn't see the chain markings because I needed to keep my night vision to get out of the harbor. In both cases the other system did the job. The scary one would have been lifting the anchor at night in a crowded anchorage without knowing when we had lifted the anchor off the bottom.
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It seems to me that if you have all chain you could rig up something to count the turns of the gypsy and convert that to feet for an exact reading.
Err, that's what the Cruz Pro chain counter does.....
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I'm sorry, didn't make myself clear. In responding to Peter's comment of our seemingly antiquated method, I was joking that I was waiting for more modern technology than what he was using. Seems that a simple wireless tile that counts magnetic pulses could be linked to a hand held display or smartphone app. Sadly it's only wishful thinking at this point.

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Following my general belief that while cruising everything will break, cease to function, at the wrong time, I have continued to paint the chain even after installing a chain counter.

Sure enough, I have now been in a situation where the chain counter didn't work (magnet fell out) and a situation where I couldn't see the chain markings because I needed to keep my night vision to get out of the harbor. In both cases the other system did the job. The scary one would have been lifting the anchor at night in a crowded anchorage without knowing when we had lifted the anchor off the bottom.
'Scuse me...you mean you can't tell..? I must admit I paint the chain white for the last few feet from the anchor to the windlass, so the minute that appears I know it's off the bottom and only a few feet to go. That part is a cinch to repaint each time I'm doing something else.
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