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Old 09-08-2016, 10:07 AM   #61
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Some (like me) would lean toward a properly maintained and used nylon rode. Can't imagine my 5/8ths Brait rode "parting". Spoze it could though if an octipus chewed on it.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:49 AM   #62
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"Can't imagine my 5/8ths Brait rode "parting"."

Just leave it in the sun long enough.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:51 AM   #63
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We bought a new dingy last summer, Zodiac Zoom Aero 260. (Good little dingy, we're very happy with it, the oarlocks haven't broken, pretty tough, rides well with a 4 hp Yamaha.) However, after sitting in the sun for a total of seven months (three months last summer, four months this summer) the nylon webbing strap in the middle of the floor completely dissolved to pieces. It was as if I dipped it in sulfuric acid or something, just deteriorated to bits. FF is right, depending on the material it's shocking how U/V rays can destroy some things really quickly.

(I was never quite sure what that strap was for anyway so we don't miss it, but even so, we have a cover for the dingy now. Odd that Zodiac would use a material that so quickly dissolves under U/V rays.)
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Marty am I reading this right - one anchor lost due to no bitter end final attachment and rope rodes parting? If so a properly affixed all chain rode would have prevented both problems.
Just a thought. If you have all chain and it is shackled to the boat, you cannot slip your rode if you have to. Had a three boat raft up come at me in a squall. Almost had to slip the rode. I have 40 feet of yellow polypropylene between the last link of chain and the dead bolt in the anchor locker. I have sharp knife in a sheath attached to the anchor locker bulkhead. If I ever have to slip the rode I can cut the poly pro and it will float up so that when the confusion is over I can go back and retrieve my chain. At least that is the plan. Hope never to have to test it though. If you have a rope rode and not all chain, it is still handy to have a knife in the anchor locker to cut the rode free.
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Two - plow and Danforth with separate rodes
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Old 09-09-2016, 12:49 PM   #66
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"Can't imagine my 5/8ths Brait rode "parting"."

Just leave it in the sun long enough.
It's in a box on the foredeck. You're the only one I know that keeps their anchor out in the sun. Do you cover it like RV's cover their tires?
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Marty am I reading this right - one anchor lost due to no bitter end final attachment and rope rodes parting? If so a properly affixed all chain rode would have prevented both problems.
Clarification. The anchor with the all chain rode was lost at sea. A heavy anchor and 300 feet of BBB line free fell into several thousand feet of ocean. The owner considered himself fortunate that the weight of the anchor and chain in free fall snapped the 3/4" nylon line tied to the bitter end and did not damage the boat.
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Marty am I reading this right - one anchor lost due to no bitter end final attachment and rope rodes parting? If so a properly affixed all chain rode would have prevented both problems.
As to the rope rodes parting, this is not uncommon in the Eastern Caribbean. It is not unusual in fact to pull up an abandoned anchor that was lost this way.
Coral or rubble bottoms do not do well with rope rodes.
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If you have all chain and it is shackled to the boat, you cannot slip your rode if you have to.
Why not? Using a properly sized snap shackle in the system as the release mechanism, it is a helluva lot quicker than sawing a poly rode. And if you are using a snubber properly, there is no tension involved regardless.

Rope rodes part due to chafe in sustained bad conditions if not protected (both at the boat and near the bottom). It can happen fast. Heck, even with what I thought was good protection we darn near ate through one leg of a 3/4" snubber bridle over the course of a bad night.
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As to chaff on my nylon line rode I receintly removed 50' of 5/8ths Brait line and substituted 50' of 9/16ths three strand. I plan on doing that every year or two in the future. Most Willard 30's use 1/2" line.
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Reading this thread with much interest as I'm trying to decide to go with an all chain rode or not for my Prairie 36. Anchoring grounds will be East Coast Intracoastal, Great Loop, and maybe Bahamas.
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FOG,
It's so shallow out there a combination rode may mean you could anchor most of the time w about 100-125' of chain and 200' of line. You'd not often get any line out so you'd be on all chain w/o having to carry much. And you'd have a lot of options if the engine quit to keep off the beach or rocks.
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Fog. I cruise the same areas and I use all chain which has many advantages and few disadvantages other than weight. Your size boat can use a smaller link if it is HT just make sure your capstan can handle the size chain. You will need to learn to use a snubber.

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Thanks guys. Had all chain and a couple of snubbers on my sailboats in SoCal and never had an issue. So that's what I was leaning toward. But since I'm new to the trawler world, East coast, Great Lakes, etc. just thought I'd check in with the experts.
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I have sailed the South East and Bahamas for 15 years and only ever had three.

Two actual anchors that would hold the boat.

And the missus, who is my life anchor!

(Yeah she reads these).
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I have sailed the South East and Bahamas for 15 years and only ever had three.

Two actual anchors that would hold the boat.

And the missus, who is my life anchor!

(Yeah she reads these).
Born diplomat eh..?
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"Life anchor"

I'm going to steal that but I'm sure it won't get me any points as she won't believe me anyway. LOL
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Thanks guys. Had all chain and a couple of snubbers on my sailboats in SoCal and never had an issue. So that's what I was leaning toward. But since I'm new to the trawler world, East coast, Great Lakes, etc. just thought I'd check in with the experts.
Let us know when you find an anchoring expert.......
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An anchoring expert. A guy with a boat with an anchor on the bow carrying a briefcase 300 miles from home.
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FOG,
It's so shallow out there a combination rode may mean you could anchor most of the time w about 100-125' of chain and 200' of line. You'd not often get any line out so you'd be on all chain w/o having to carry much. And you'd have a lot of options if the engine quit to keep off the beach or rocks.
I agree with Nomad Willy. We cruise the east coast extensively. 150 feet chain and 200 feet rode. Most of the time we are on all chain.
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