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Old 09-05-2016, 03:10 PM   #21
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Has anyone had a Super Max, Ultra, Rocna or Excel that failed to grab and you had to pull it in and drop your "more suitable" spare? Me, never.
My Rocna has never failed to grab. It's been tough to pull out of the sticky mud, but I'm ok with that. I fear my Bruce has become nothing but a pulpit ornament.

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Old 09-05-2016, 04:49 PM   #22
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Ted, I'm shocked! Your anchors are too small, they are the wrong kind and I suspect you don't have enough chain!

Actually that's a really nice set up.
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That's a nice setup, Ted. I like redundancy!

I have the Danforth that came on the boat secured in the ER as a backup to my 15 kg Lewmar Claw. I also keep a spare main rode there.

My stern anchor is a small Danforth... maybe 13 lbs(??) on a boat's length of chain and rope combo rode. It's used more to control swing than to fight current.
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Old 09-05-2016, 05:52 PM   #24
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Would normally just have two but since I replaced my bent one with a lighter 22-H Dan, I figured no point in throwing the other heavier Dan away, so I lashed it to the aft cabin rail for a storm anchor. I know it did hold like iron once!

Perhaps You'd like to try my heavy duty 35lb Dan that I got from Dunlap Ind. Supply in Everett? Compared to most Dans it has shorter and wider flukes. And a 3/4" shank and stock. Give it to you for $30 .. same w my high performance Dan. Only the HP Dan is high aspect ratio and very slender shank.

Going to the boat tomorrow ... coffee?
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Old 09-05-2016, 06:14 PM   #25
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We carry 3; our main anchor plus a close equivalent (spare/backup) and then a small Danforth type to use as a stern anchor to keep us from swinging if needed.
That's what we did too, a Delta and twoo Danforths respectively. Two will do, especially if one is a lightweight Fortress which because of its ease of handling can serve as spare main and stern anchors. We carry two on the Whaler as well, both little Danforths, bow and stern for going-to-the-beach duty.
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Old 09-05-2016, 07:45 PM   #26
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What windless is that on your bow?

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Like others, I have three:

A Manson claw on the bow that came with the boat and that has proven to be good all around and in rocks.

A over sized Fortress as a backup bow anchor and that is good in sand and grass and as a second bow anchor in series in a serious storm.

A small Danforth for use as a stern anchor to stop swing in a small or narrow anchorage and for use in the dinghy.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:48 PM   #28
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What windless is that on your bow?

Thanks.
It's a manly windlass (man-ly adjective having or denoting those good qualities traditionally associated with men, such as courage and strength).

Ideal Windlass Company

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Larry,
What's your experience with the Manson Ray (Claw) anchor?
I don't ever rember it mentioned on this forum. For others (not famillar w the Ray) it's very unique in that it's made very differently. I've only seen one anchor test involving the Ray. A very small test (three anchors) in South America. Being very expensive few buy it and little is commonly known. So what does one get w the Ray?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:00 PM   #30
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Has anyone had a Super Max, Ultra, Rocna or Excel that failed to grab and you had to pull it in and drop your "more suitable" spare? Me, never.
I doubt it...

So far from all the posts here about carrying redundant anchor's I've not read even a single post about someone that actually had to deploy their redundant anchor.

Since I've never needed mine, I wonder about the wisdom of even carrying it.
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Hi Ted

Thanks I'll check it out, looks very interesting.
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I doubt it...

So far from all the posts here about carrying redundant anchor's I've not read even a single post about someone that actually had to deploy their redundant anchor.

Since I've never needed mine, I wonder about the wisdom of even carrying it.
No need to wear a seatbelt based on that reasoning.

I never needed to relieve my Delta of duty either in hundreds of nights at anchor in all sorts of weather and bottom conditions. Still liked having the big Danforth rugged and ready to go.
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Has anyone had a Super Max, Ultra, Rocna or Excel that failed to grab and you had to pull it in and drop your "more suitable" spare? Me, never.
Nope. My Super Sarca is so reliable, and retrievable from almost any situation thanks to the trip slot, my back-up, (Danforth I think), has never seen the light of day. But it's down in the lazaret somewhere. I'm sure I saw it several years ago.
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Old 09-06-2016, 05:35 AM   #34
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4 are on there own anchor lines ready at an instant.

2 bow, 60H Danforth ,60 CQR,, 1 stern.20H Danforth

A 12H is carried on the foredeck for bridge delays.

2 more are stored with lines that can be attached.

Since we O nite with a bow anchor and a stern set , led to the bow, 2 anchors are always in use.

I prefer to anchor in one spot , not swing in a 200-500ft circle, in tidal areas.
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What's your experience with the Manson Ray (Claw) anchor?
I don't ever remember it mentioned on this forum. For others (not famillar w the Ray) it's very unique in that it's made very differently. I've only seen one anchor test involving the Ray. A very small test (three anchors) in South America. Being very expensive few buy it and little is commonly known. So what does one get w the Ray?
At risk of thread creep, let me say that I am no anchor expert. All I know is that in years of anchoring out in the Great Lakes and on the Great Loop, I have not experienced a failure to hold.

This may be the article you saw? http://www.manson-marine.co.nz/Ancho...or%20Tests.pdf
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I have three. A 55 lb Rocna on the pulpit, a big Fortress secondary anchor stowed in the anchor locker, and a cheapo WalMart Danforth style that I use as a stern anchor sometimes.
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Minimum of 2 and as stated different types. I use a 35 Danforth and a 44 Delta.
When we cruised all summer in Canada, I had a third, a 22 Danforth, available to use as a stern anchor.
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Re post # 35
Larry that is the test I refer to.
I'm not sure about the scale issue. Marin went on and on about that in the past but I think it was an excuse to put down the Bruce anchor. The Bruce offended him and he was bent on getting even.
I considered getting a Ray myself but started experimenting w the Supreme instead.
Thanks for your resopnse.
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Im not at all surprised that the posters here have mostly never had a need for their back up anchor as from what I can tell, after being a lurker for many years, most are well skilled in boating and anchoring and would anchor properly and in correct places.

However sometimes circumstances are beyond the captains control. One night I was anchored in the Bahamas within 300 yards of the freight dock and well out of the channel to the dock. Shortly after midnight the freight boat leaves the dock and I knew it when my boat starts changing direction and moving. Yep, you guessed correctly the boats keel or prop hooked my anchor line. I yelled and called on the radio to no avail but soon my boat came loose and I pulled in a cut anchor line, over went the secondary anchor and we spent the night. Next day we looked for six hours for my anchor in clear Bahamian water six feet deep to no avail.

Not only did I loose the anchor but the anchor line I hauled back into the boat was black with the tar they use to coat the boats bottom. Since then I always have a minimum of two anchors.
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Actually Pigtug, your question brings up a broader subject of redundancy. Since you are embarking on a relatively serious cruise, it would be good to think about having redundancy (even at a reduced performance) for every system.

Ask yourself "what do I do when the XXX breaks?" If you can't carry a spare/backup then what is your contingency plan?

When I was first preparing for going into risk countries, my security consultant taught me about preparing a book of action plans. Same thing works for boats. Can you and your wife answer these questions without thinking:
1) What are the steps you follow if you hear someone enter your boat/house at night? - scream, hide in the closet, start blasting away with your revolver.....
2) What are the steps to follow if one of you suffers a major medical emergency? - triage, immediate first aid, CPR, mobile phone, VHF radio, etc.

There's a lot to think about. Pardon the thread drift, but I still think that your question about backup anchors just naturally segues into redundancy and backup plans. Long distance sailors/cruisers are some of the most prepared persons around and there's a lot of knowledge to be gained from our fellow posters.
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