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Old 11-01-2014, 01:32 AM   #1
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Help with anchor types.

So I have two anchors on the bow.
The small anchor is, I think, an old navy anchor.
The larger (second picture) looks sort of like a Danforth but I am not sure hence this post. I wondered if it was just a knock off or if it has a type of its' own. Any thoughts? I am thinking that we might keep that one and upgrade the old navy one to something from a more recent century.
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Old 11-01-2014, 02:10 AM   #2
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You're limited on anchor choices with your hull-sided system which won't accept modern anchors. Keep what you've got and worry about it if you have problems with an anchor which has been properly set. This research vessel has a similar issue.

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Old 11-01-2014, 06:47 AM   #4
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I am thinking that we might keep that one and upgrade the old navy one to something from a more recent century.
You might want to peruse the archives as well as recent threads like "Chesapeake Bay Anchoring Test." I think you will find more information, facts, opinions, legends and myths about anchors than you ever thought it would be possible to write.
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Holding the anchor in a hawse pipe is one o the great delights the modern boat assemblers have forgotten.

AS I see one Danforth secured , the question would be its size , at least a 35H would be required by looking at your boat , for overnight.

A 60H would be for anchoring most any time any where, but the shank might not fit up the hawse hole.

The other standard is a genuine CQR , the 60 holds in some bottoms better than the Danforth .

Although a huge PIA , if you approach another boater you night be able to borrow an anchor to see how well it fits.

IF no reasonable ,,,60+ anchor will fit , you will need an anchor crane (just some bent pipe) that allows the anchor to be brought aboard and lashed on deck.

Good hunting , having never to wash the mud or gunk off the anchor is a great blessing, most newer boats cant enjoy.

Give the cast heavy anchor to a lamp maker,
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So I have two anchors on the bow.
The small anchor is, I think, an old navy anchor.
The larger (second picture) looks sort of like a Danforth but I am not sure hence this post. I wondered if it was just a knock off or if it has a type of its' own. Any thoughts? I am thinking that we might keep that one and upgrade the old navy one to something from a more recent century.
One is a Forfjord, which is a fine anchor and the other a Danforth type. The Forfjord is a very good anchor if sized correctly. You can figure out which you have by measuring the width and comparing to this chart: Forfjord Anchors - Products

What you have may be just fine, but were it me, I would put the biggest Forfjord on that your hawse pipe will allow and replace the old Danforth with a Fortress. The Forfjord's are inexpensive, compared to other anchors but are commonly used on fishing boats because they work.
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The first one is a Forfjord. Quite popular with commercial boats in BC and Alaska.
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Thanks for all the information. Looking on the first anchor and removing some paint did indeed reveal the cast in name Forfjord. According to the chart Delfin linked to it is a 145 lb. anchor. I would guess the danforth type is probably heavier based on the fact that it is hooked to larger chain and is physically larger than the Forfjord. The danforth type flukes are also cast in one piece not welded together.
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Fishermen frequently choose equipment because more experienced fishermen in their midst use that equipment however the equipment must work fairly well or they'd ditch it quickly. And I know of no other boating community that is less enamored to the bigger is better philosophy. In Craig Alaska the fishermen clearly prefer the Forfjord almost to the point of worshiping the type/brand. The Claw is by far the next numerous anchor found on fish boats probably due to it's very economical price, availability and quick setting. The only other anchor that is very common on fish boats in Craig is the Dreadnought. The Dreadnought is similar to the Navy but w a very long shank. These are the only three anchors commonly seen on fish boats in Craig. Now and then I've seen a Danforth but never a "new gen" anchor.

Those here that believe in lots of chain are in the same stall as the fishermen however with the fishermen about half of the rode will be nylon line w about half of the fishermen. The chain will be almost always two different sizes and frequently three. The heaviest chain next to the anchor and the lightest next to and attached to the line. Their hydraulically powered anchor winches allow this. Their anchor chain is so heavy that it actually adds to the holding power of the very heavy anchor so high performance anchors aren't really necessary. They admit to dragging in 60 knot gales though. It would be like me starting my rode at the sea bottom w a 100lb Claw then 4' of 5/8" chain then 30' of 1/2" chain then 50' of 3/8" chain and finally 2 or 300' of 5/8" nylon line.

The Forfjord anchor is, performance wise very similar to the Claws except the Claws are high performance anchors when it comes to setting whereas the Forfjord is not.

The OPs Danforth type looks like a very well made anchor. One that I may not have seen before so am reluctant to comment on it's performance other than to say that it probably works about as well as a Danforth brand anchor.
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Thanks for all the information. Looking on the first anchor and removing some paint did indeed reveal the cast in name Forfjord. According to the chart Delfin linked to it is a 145 lb. anchor. I would guess the danforth type is probably heavier based on the fact that it is hooked to larger chain and is physically larger than the Forfjord. The danforth type flukes are also cast in one piece not welded together.
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I should think 145# would be fine for most conditions you'll encounter. If you feel like spending money, replace the Danforth with a Fortress but leaving things as is probably is best. After all, the boat has been using these hooks for quite some time and it still has water under it....
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Don't replace the Danforth with a Fortress if you anchor in tidal or river currents, They are so light they take off like a kite and it's almost impossible to get them down where you want them i.e. that sand patch among the sea grass.
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I should think 145# would be fine for most conditions you'll encounter. If you feel like spending money, replace the Danforth with a Fortress but leaving things as is probably is best. After all, the boat has been using these hooks for quite some time and it still has water under it....
Well, yes, mostly, but. The PO passed away long before I got the boat. I have pretty much a full history in terms of who designed it who built it and who owned it. But as I examine each system I find that each previous owner has a signature in terms of how things where done. Like all of us each had their strong suits. Some things on the mini ship as I have come to think of it make me shake my head. A telephone system to the two cabins and the engine room from the pilot house??? When I can stand at the helm and look down the ladder into the engine room. Well, O.K. but I think I can live without that. An oil pressure gauge in the engine room but not at the helm station- that has to change. So as I look at each system I ask myself questions. Sometimes, like with air controls, I have experience with them but not on boats. So, I ask questions. With anchors, well given 99 boaters it seems likely that I might find 2 who think the same on anchors but I thought I would ask. Long and rambling way of saying... I am asking if in the past was this or that a good choice. What do other people with different experiences think of what ever I am looking at. So, as I said in another post, there will be lots of questions over the coming months and thank you everyone for taking the time to answer my questions.
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And if anyone wants a REALLY cool WW 2 era phone system for their boat - with wiring diagram do let me know. I have one.
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And if anyone wants a REALLY cool WW 2 era phone system for their boat - with wiring diagram do let me know. I have one.
Only if it has a crank.

And weighs 60#.
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Thanks for all the information. Looking on the first anchor and removing some paint did indeed reveal the cast in name Forfjord. According to the chart Delfin linked to it is a 145 lb. anchor. I would guess the danforth type is probably heavier based on the fact that it is hooked to larger chain and is physically larger than the Forfjord. The danforth type flukes are also cast in one piece not welded together.
Glad to have found such a knowledgeable bunch of fellow boaters. Thanks
So you bought her. Congrats. I followed her on YW. Did not have the guts to offer.....I was afraid they would accept and I would have a job. She is beautiful with massive potential...I just loved her but she just scared the hell out of me. Good luck with her, she can be very special with some work.... I. Work I was not willing to make the commitment to at 67 years old.
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Yes, we bought her, and yes she needs some work but the bones are solid. 1/4 inch plate round bilge. A work of art from a day long gone. Massively built. At about 50 feet she weights 104000 lbs. And not full of fuel. Way too much fuel tankage at well over 3000 gallons. I think closer to 4000. But a low hour engine and gear box and an amazing amount of stuff that works. Very little that does not. Although I will admit that I have sometimes been weeks working out how to turn something on. A custom designed electrical system like no other. I think that it will make a fine cruiser but it is a project for sure. Modern and up to date- hell no. But neither am I. Will it take us pretty much anyplace we want to go? I think so. And if we get stuck out in some not so nice weather. Well she spent about 10 years in Alaska 5 of them hauling fuel out of Kodiak so I think (reading the log book) she has seen some weather and didn't sink. So, Mule, while I am sad you love the boat and had to pass I am also happy you did for I am having too much fun!!! I worked out how to turn the tape deck on today. And I found a spare sea cock. I think it weights about 50 lbs. And after much debate I have removed the Loran C. Bryan in Portland well Astoria actually
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... (reading the log book) ...
Did the previous operators log anchorages? If they anchored a fair bit and never reported problems with those anchors, I wouldn't spend any time thinking about replacing them. You've got more important things to worry about, like getting decent upper and lower helm chairs!
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Oddly enough while I have a chair in the lower helm station I do better standing for long periods than I do sitting for long periods.
And yes they did log some anchorages and some 40 to 60 knot gales. But I still worry that there are better choices. But maybe not.
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Well, yes, mostly, but. The PO passed away long before I got the boat. I have pretty much a full history in terms of who designed it who built it and who owned it. But as I examine each system I find that each previous owner has a signature in terms of how things where done. Like all of us each had their strong suits. Some things on the mini ship as I have come to think of it make me shake my head. A telephone system to the two cabins and the engine room from the pilot house??? When I can stand at the helm and look down the ladder into the engine room. Well, O.K. but I think I can live without that. An oil pressure gauge in the engine room but not at the helm station- that has to change. So as I look at each system I ask myself questions. Sometimes, like with air controls, I have experience with them but not on boats. So, I ask questions. With anchors, well given 99 boaters it seems likely that I might find 2 who think the same on anchors but I thought I would ask. Long and rambling way of saying... I am asking if in the past was this or that a good choice. What do other people with different experiences think of what ever I am looking at. So, as I said in another post, there will be lots of questions over the coming months and thank you everyone for taking the time to answer my questions.
The telephone is a sound powered phone. Old requirement for backup if your engine controls go down someone can shift below at engine. No electric is needed for the phone to work. Some bigger boats had a crank to ring a bell at different stations.
Old stuff I bet it still works, adds class and shows Roots.
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