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Old 03-31-2014, 07:02 AM   #1
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We went out this weekend and I am about at the end of using our 45 pound CQR in our area. We have mostly sand or sand/mud bottoms. The CQR does not hold. We have a Fortress FX37 that out does it everytime but it does not work well with all chain. All chain works much better with our windlass. What anchor for our area do you think I should pick to replace the CQR? I also have a Delta 45 lbs anchor that I have not tried but I would expect it to work like the CQR.....
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:28 AM   #2
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I'd recommend you do try the Delta before investing in anything else, because the Delta is still a pretty good anchor - certainly better at setting than the CQR, and much easier to use, especially with all chain rode, than the Fortress types.
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:50 AM   #3
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Good old Danforth anchors are by far the most popular anchor in use by boaters on the Florida gulfcoast--it is what I've used for many years from Tarpon Springs to Sarasota. I've never had a problem. The coast here is mainly sand and weed. My back-up is a Bruce anchor, which occasionally has some problems with hard sandy bottoms.
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We went out this weekend and I am about at the end of using our 45 pound CQR in our area. We have mostly sand or sand/mud bottoms. The CQR does not hold. We have a Fortress FX37 that out does it everytime but it does not work well with all chain. All chain works much better with our windlass. What anchor for our area do you think I should pick to replace the CQR? I also have a Delta 45 lbs anchor that I have not tried but I would expect it to work like the CQR.....

Can you identify why the Fortress doesn't work with all chain?

The anchor really shouldn't know the diff of all chain versus a chain/nylon set up....at least in my experience and thinking.
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We went out this weekend and I am about at the end of using our 45 pound CQR in our area. We have mostly sand or sand/mud bottoms. The CQR does not hold. We have a Fortress FX37 that out does it everytime but it does not work well with all chain. All chain works much better with our windlass. What anchor for our area do you think I should pick to replace the CQR? I also have a Delta 45 lbs anchor that I have not tried but I would expect it to work like the CQR.....
Yes, most definitely try the Delta before you buy anything else.

After initially thinking my CQR did pretty well, I had a number of incidents in which it was terrible.
It was heavier than previous anchor, so that hid a multitude of sins.

I'm thinking about the Delta, which I think is clearly better than my CQR, but I'm not sure it's that much better.

So do I spend, spend, spend for the Rocna (33kg) or not?

It's hard to resist when my fellow Krogenites swear by it and have even offered up a number of first borns if dissatisfied.
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Ditto Peter B. Our Delta 45 lb has worked very well holding our 44' MT along the Gulf Coast from New Orleans to Key West with all chain rode (typically 5:1 scope). The only time it drags on us is in soft mud bottoms such as you'll find in the bayous and upper bays along the coast. That's when we break out the trusty old 35HT Danforth (genuine, not one of the cheaper knock-offs). Good combination. Your Fortress FX-37 should work as well as our Danforth, even with all chain. Might want to experiment with changing the fluke angles on it.
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I am not sure it's the design of the anchors as much as the size of them vs your displacement/windage. Isn't your displacement over 55000 lbs? A 45 lb anchor seems small. I would up the size significantly.
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I think the answer is to get a Rocna and be done with it. It works in all environments exceptionally well. The CQR is too old school and Danforths (like the Fortress) don't reset well when you swing.
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Your anchor is too small, it's the wrong kind and you don't have enough chain.

Seriously, try the Delta before you spend any more money. That advise is from a guy who would love to sell you a new anchor.

The Delta is a much better anchor than the CQR. I've used mine in mud, grass and sand. It sets and holds every time.
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I agree the CQR is too small but it was what came with the boat. I will try the Delta and see how that works. As far as the Fortress on chain I read, can't remember where that since the anchor is so light if you use all chain it would sail above the chain. Not sure if that is so true with a FX 37 or maybe the next size up because they still have some weight to them.
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You sound a lot like our old friend Marin. "The CQR is too old school"
It's like now that we've got something new all the old stuff is junk.

I've not had experience w the CQR so no comment there.

Rodgerh said he's dealing w sand and that's a little like mud. I'd say Rodgerh needs more fluke area with a brand that sets well.

My take on the "all chain" is that chain helps setting but has little or nothing to do w holding. Seems silly to have an ultralight, ultra high performing anchor and then hook it up to a massive lump of chain. I'm still w Chapman on chain.

I think Rodgerh's problem centers around why he's not having good luck w the Fortress. The reputation of the Fortress is practically flawless.

A long shot is that Rodgerh is not laying out his anchor but lowering it in a heap (one spot) and then backing down. All that chain may be wrapped around the anchor rendering it useless.
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The Fortress works great. I have it on about 15 feet of chain and the rest rode. The problem I have is the rode does not work with our windlass. I really should try both the Delta and the Fortress on all chain and see how they work. I agree though that even the Fortess is too small for a 58000 lbs yacht but it is a testiment to the Fortress that an undersized one works so well. If I did size up then I looked at the sizing chart for the Rocna and the 88 lbs one is recommended. Will 5/16 high test work with that or do I need to switch to 3/8 HT. I did not size any of this, the previous owner did and after we bought the boat he told us that he never anchored. There in lies the problem. Oh well, some more boat bucks going out I think.
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I have about 175 ft of 5/16 HT chain.
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Yea I'd say 5/16" is too small. Good for my 30' boat. Ask others about 3/8". I can't get my head around boats that big. I use 4' of 3/8" on my boat and think it's huge but it may be small on your boat.

You should probably consider splicing from nylon to chain. Most winches will work fine w either. I don't know how dependable the splice is but many here on TF use it and are very happy. With the splice yo can use any length of chain you want and not carry extra weight on your bow. One can have a very long rode if it's nylon. I have over 400' and it's a comfort when the engine quits. I try to minimize weight but many here think it's golden in any amount. Chapman says to use a short length of chain and keep the bulk of the rode nylon. I agree.

There are those here that swear there's nothing like all chain. And all the opinions you ask for will be different. If you need more input read our archives. Better take some food w you as there's lots to read.
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You sound a lot like our old friend Marin. "The CQR is too old school"
It's like now that we've got something new all the old stuff is junk.
I didn't say the CQR was junk. It's just that it continues to exhibit the problems that have been in CQR's since they existed. In things like anchors that have gone through a whole new generation in technology recently, it's time to throw out the old.

I don't suppose you only use a sextant for navigation, right? I mean, they still work and there's nothing wrong with them. But progress marches on and if you're considering a switch, switch to new technology designed to correct the problems of the old.

I also think that all chain is the only way to go on any larger trawler (40'+). Weight has nothing to do with that. It just makes for a better and smaller rode requirement. I have a Fortress 55 as a backup. I love the lighter weight - real benefits for me. But when I've used it, I'd only want it with all chain - and that's how I've used it.
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5/16 is fine unless you don't want it to be a weak link...in certain circumstances.

Depending on the size and holding power of your anchor...you'll probably never test the strength of your chain...because the anchor will probably break out long before you even get past the safe working load.

If I did test it by riding out a hurricane...and I thought or saw that I elongated any links...I would say the $500 or so of chain did it's job and deserves a rest.
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If I were the OP I would walk the docks in my area and see what other boaters are using for anchors. Brand and size. I would talk to as many of them as possible and see how their anchors are working for them. I would also examine my technique and make sure I'm not doing anything incorrectly. Anchoring is as much an art as it is a science.

There are some very expensive "new" designs on the market but it's hard for me to believe that they are worth the four to five times the cost of a conventional anchor that they are replacing.
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There are some very expensive "new" designs on the market but it's hard for me to believe that they are worth the four to five times the cost of a conventional anchor that they are replacing.
Prices at West Marine for comparison:

75 lb CQR - $1,339.99

47 lb Fortress FX-85 - $1,069.99

88 lb Rocna - $1,239.99

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Throwing the Rocna overboard and feeling how it sticks in all conditions...priceless

Only someone who hasn't used one of the newer technology anchors wouldn't understand the value. Given that they're actually less expensive than older has-been anchors makes the exercise a joke if you're replacing an anchor. The specific example in this thread was a CQR. I fully admit that you can find cheap Bruce and Danforth knock-offs but again, the difference in performance isn't close.
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We went out this weekend and I am about at the end of using our 45 pound CQR in our area. We have mostly sand or sand/mud bottoms. The CQR does not hold. We have a Fortress FX37 that out does it everytime but it does not work well with all chain. All chain works much better with our windlass. What anchor for our area do you think I should pick to replace the CQR? I also have a Delta 45 lbs anchor that I have not tried but I would expect it to work like the CQR.....
I was a big cqr fan in the 80's. Anchored many a time in big winds and it saved my bacon. It wasn't easy to get it to bite but when done right we slept well. Fast forward 30 plus years I actually gave away our 315 lb stainless cqr last year. As a diver and having actually watched our anchors set, I'm done with cqrs. Last weekend I watched three boats with cqrs try to anchor upstream of our boat. Not a single one managed to get it to bite. One tried three times. Bottom line the new school anchors are a huge improvement. Do your own research and give one a try. They are that much better.

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Consider Mantus. I have used one for the last year, from Virginia to Texas( 7 or 8 nights on the hook in Florida) and it has been rock solid. As soon as it hits the bottom it's set (w/ proper scope) and has never budged. I could not be more satisfied. It looks a lot like a Rocna but has a few differences.

A quick google search shows an 85lb in the low $600 range.

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