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03-04-2014, 11:43 AM
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City: Carrabelle, FL
Vessel Name: Morgan
Vessel Model: '05 Mainship 40T
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Rocna in Grass?
I'm considering upgrading to a Rocna as our primary anchor and switching our Fortress FX-37 to a secondary. There is a lot of grass bottom in both N. Florida and the Bahamas where we cruise, and grass is very tough on Danforth type styles. We have worked around this in the past (find the sandy spots) but I'd like to not have to worry about it so much.
I know grass is tough on every anchor, but have any of you rocna owners out there had any experience, good or bad, in grass bottoms?
Thanks,
Doug
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03-04-2014, 12:17 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Annapolis
Vessel Model: Pacific Trawler 37
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Guess I'll stick my head out of the foxhole...
Not a fan of the "hoop" anchors in grass . They tend to prevent penetration by compressing grass in front of the hoop.
Mike
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03-04-2014, 12:40 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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Rocnas are what they are and hoop anchors in general are fine in grass...now let the facts begin....or not....
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03-04-2014, 12:56 PM
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City: League City, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Rocnas are what they are and hoop anchors in general are fine in grass...now let the facts begin....or not....
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Now you've done it . . . . Anchor Wars!
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03-04-2014, 01:05 PM
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City: South FL
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
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Load the pulpits, prepare to fire!
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Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
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03-04-2014, 01:15 PM
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City: Concrete Washington State
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That's one of the things a Rocna should do well at.
SARCA should be better.
Manta may be very good at that.
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North Western Washington State USA
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03-04-2014, 01:22 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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or not.....
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03-04-2014, 01:38 PM
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City: Carrabelle, FL
Vessel Name: Morgan
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I thought by asking a very specific question that the bloodshed could be avoided, perhaps I was wrong!
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03-04-2014, 01:48 PM
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City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougcole
I thought by asking a very specific question that the bloodshed could be avoided, perhaps I was wrong!
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And you thought these folks don't have very specific opinions?
Ted
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03-04-2014, 01:52 PM
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Guru
City: South FL
Vessel Name: Oliver
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Were going to the Bahamas for spring break and going try out the anchor, I'll let you know. We going to anchor at Great Sale Cale since we can't do the run from west end to Spanish in one day, plus I want to try the anchor.
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M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
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03-04-2014, 02:11 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougcole
I'm considering upgrading to a Rocna as our primary anchor and switching our Fortress FX-37 to a secondary. There is a lot of grass bottom in both N. Florida and the Bahamas where we cruise, and grass is very tough on Danforth type styles. We have worked around this in the past (find the sandy spots) but I'd like to not have to worry about it so much.
I know grass is tough on every anchor, but have any of you rocna owners out there had any experience, good or bad, in grass bottoms?
Thanks,
Doug
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What anchor owner is going to own up to buying the wrong anchor, one that is more expensive than a better one, one that doesn't fit as well as the other one, etc...etc...
Without "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" (good luck)..why would one think any one specific anchor is better than another???? Maybe in specific circumstances and some anchors are well known for strengths and weaknesses...but as far as the new gerneration stuff...I think they have strengths over the previous anchors (heck science and history ought to be worth something)...but say one is better than another...I'd like someone to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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03-04-2014, 02:38 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Annapolis
Vessel Model: Pacific Trawler 37
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I'll own up to buying an anchor (Rocna) which was better than my previous CQR. That said, I didn't select another Rocna for the Trawler. Agree in general that the new gen anchors are easier to set and some are potentially better at remaining set. My "opinion" based on experience is that anchor hoops are more of a detriment than a benefit.
Mike
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03-04-2014, 02:45 PM
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Guru
City: Carrabelle, FL
Vessel Name: Morgan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
What anchor owner is going to own up to buying the wrong anchor, one that is more expensive than a better one, one that doesn't fit as well as the other one, etc...etc...
Without "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" (good luck)..why would one think any one specific anchor is better than another???? Maybe in specific circumstances and some anchors are well known for strengths and weaknesses...but as far as the new gerneration stuff...I think they have strengths over the previous anchors (heck science and history ought to be worth something)...but say one is better than another...I'd like someone to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Human nature, for sure. I think we can all agree though that all anchors, like all boats are a compromise some are better at certain things and worse at others. I am hoping to get specific input about a specific anchor in a specific set of circumstances. I'm pinning all my hopes on Oliver.
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03-04-2014, 02:47 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
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A fisherman/yachtsman anchor should do well.
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Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
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03-04-2014, 02:48 PM
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City: Carrabelle, FL
Vessel Name: Morgan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N4712
Were going to the Bahamas for spring break and going try out the anchor, I'll let you know. We going to anchor at Great Sale Cale since we can't do the run from west end to Spanish in one day, plus I want to try the anchor.
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That will be a great test, Oliver. The main harbor there (as I am sure you know) has a bunch of grassy spots. We went in there a few years back right as a big squall was bearing down on us. We didn't get set good before it hit and drug like crazy. The fortress was one giant rasta head when we pulled it up to reset.
I appreciate your help.
Doug
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03-04-2014, 02:53 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougcole
Human nature, for sure. I think we can all agree though that all anchors, like all boats are a compromise some are better at certain things and worse at others. I am hoping to get specific input about a specific anchor in a specific set of circumstances. I'm pinning all my hopes on Oliver.
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Fair enough..can't argue that a Rocna is probably a fine anchor...I would just say that it shouldn't limit your choices.
If your mind is made up and looking for other's you trust to verify your decision...that's just what you might get...good or bad...
As usual you may really want to feel good about who gives you those opinions and how "time tested" or "extreme condition" tested your info is. For that level of advice I try to look to those who use equipment every day or on a regular basis and test it to the limits...but the reality is not too many commercial types really test anchors...cause ya can't make money while at anchor or spend the profits on "new gen anchors"...
So like you I can only data dump what's available through trusted sources...good luck with whatever you chose...
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03-04-2014, 02:55 PM
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Guru
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
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Will someone please try the Manson Boss, and give us a report? I'll wait.
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03-04-2014, 02:58 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
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Looks sort of like a Bruce/Claw but with the ability to bring up much more mud/whatever.
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03-04-2014, 03:02 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
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I was all set to go out and try my new Manson Boss when I got a call about a bad situation over at Cracker Boy. They said the winds that I was going to try my new anchor out in had just blown a boat off the stands but the good news it needed to be painted anyhow...they just got it back up in the stands...
maybe tomorrow I'll test the Manson Boss....
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03-04-2014, 03:13 PM
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Guru
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
I was all set to go out and try my new Manson Boss when I got a call about a bad situation over at Cracker Boy. They said the winds that I was going to try my new anchor out in had just blown a boat off the stands but the good news it needed to be painted anyhow...they just got it back up in the stands...
maybe tomorrow I'll test the Manson Boss....
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Scott, I hate it when that happens.
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