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Old 10-04-2014, 05:28 PM   #81
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Same in St, Augustine. If you are a Florida resident, you can be a live-aboard at the Salt Run Field, on a St Augustine Municipal Mooring for $1,663.20 per year (non-live aboard is $1,164.24). A non resident live-aboard is only ~$1,100 more per year..
If you live on your boat and it's moored in Florida wouldn't you be a Florida resident?
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Just for the record, my father bought our ICW lot in 1952 for the paltry sum of $2000 but a nice chunk of change back then. At the time, anchoring on the Indian River lagoon by live aboards was literally unheard of. So were derelict boats. I may have misled about the deed to the property. What it really said is if the water were to recede, we would have ownership of the exposed land to the point it reaches the channel.

Derelict boats are a big issue and it has grown over the years. 99% of what I have seen are not live aboards. They are just people who are abandoning their boats or want free storage. These boats usually get destroyed when a tropical storm comes along and the state has had difficulty tracking down owners, going through legal processes and then collecting payments from the owner....if possible. I have found boats in various conditions aground in my front yard.
Then the state of Florida needs to deal with the problem and not punish everybody else. There is always that 10% that screws it up for the rest of us.
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Then the state of Florida needs to deal with the problem and not punish everybody else.
Lots of luck with that.

If you don't live in Florida, you can't vote in Florida, all you can do is stay away and not spend your money there. People who take boats to Florida and anchor as opposed to staying in marinas aren't bringing in enough money to make a difference.

I think a time limit is a reasonable response to the problem and I would suggest a week.

Downstream from my marina used to be a beautiful place. Then a sailboat moved in. Then another. Then a couple of POS boats. Now there's one upside down in the marsh and pieces of it are floating and getting caught on the marina docks.

You can't just park your car on public property and leave it for months at a time or live in it. Why is a boat different?
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Lots of luck with that.


You can't just park your car on public property and leave it for months at a time or live in it. Why is a boat different?
Because it's a lot easier and cheap to tow a car. What are you gonna do with a boat?
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Old 10-04-2014, 06:58 PM   #85
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People who take boats to Florida and anchor as opposed to staying in marinas aren't bringing in enough money to make a difference.

I think a time limit is a reasonable response to the problem and I would suggest a week.

Downstream from my marina used to be a beautiful place. Then a sailboat moved in. Then another. Then a couple of POS boats. Now there's one upside down in the marsh and pieces of it are floating and getting caught on the marina docks.

You can't just park your car on public property and leave it for months at a time or live in it. Why is a boat different?
The scenario you described downstream from your marina is exactly what has happened and continues to happen all over FL.

Most of the anchored boats spend little money other than for food which has no state sales tax, pay no FL property taxes and pay boat registration fees to another state but expect the FL taxpayer to provide dinghy docking, water, law and order, sanitation (we all know they don't dump their holding tanks in the waterways because it is against the law....sarcasm intended) and other services. These issues affect all Floridians and not just waterfront property owners.

Would think fairness dictates these out of state boaters pay a fair share of the costs they impose on the FL taxpayer.
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The scenario you described downstream from your marina is exactly what has happened and continues to happen all over FL.

Most of the anchored boats spend little money other than for food which has no state sales tax, pay no FL property taxes and pay boat registration fees to another state but expect the FL taxpayer to provide dinghy docking, water, law and order, sanitation (we all know they don't dump their holding tanks in the waterways because it is against the law....sarcasm intended) and other services. These issues affect all Floridians and not just waterfront property owners.

Would think fairness dictates these out of state boaters pay a fair share of the costs they impose on the FL taxpayer.
Be real careful when you say out of state boaters should be more involved with taxes ...for those that cruise though Florida from some states may pay a boatload of federal taxes that go to helping Florida and very little to their home state and boating.

Know much about this legislation???

American Sportfishing Association

Wallop-Breaux monies and fishing license sales revenue account for the majority of funding for state fisheries management and access programs for anglers and boaters. The Wallop-Breaux Fund currently provides approximately $450 million per year for fisheries management and research; fishing and boating access facilities such as docks, piers, and boat ramps; and education and safety programs for anglers and boaters.

If Florida legislators can't figure it out...and build FREE docks for transient boaters to tie up to in FL waters...maybe it's time to get new legislators and not look to others that may be paying more than their fair share except in your interpretation.
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American Sportfishing Association

Wallop-Breaux monies and fishing license sales revenue account for the majority of funding for state fisheries management and access programs for anglers and boaters. The Wallop-Breaux Fund currently provides approximately $450 million per year for fisheries management and research; fishing and boating access facilities such as docks, piers, and boat ramps; and education and safety programs for anglers and boaters.

If Florida legislators can't figure it out...and build FREE docks for transient boaters to tie up to in FL waters...maybe it's time to get new legislators and not look to others that may be paying more than their fair share except in your interpretation.
Know nothing about it but from what I can figure out from your link, it is a Federal program which applies to ALL states. And as usual with Federal funding, it seems to come with strings attached at the expense of FL taxpayers. Not quite sure what the point is.
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All those anchored boats! A great opportunity for an anchor efficiency survey.
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Know nothing about it but from what I can figure out from your link, it is a Federal program which applies to ALL states. And as usual with Federal funding, it seems to come with strings attached at the expense of FL taxpayers. Not quite sure what the point is.
Not sure why you think it comes with strings attached to FL residents...my experience is that if a guy from N. Dakota owns a trawler and spends a bazillion dollars on it...a lot of the tax money gets spent where "boating is"...sure the law looks to say it's spread equitably but for the guy who spends a lot in a state that doesn't rate as many dollars...maybe he gets equality back in a place like FL and he gets some bang back from his tax dollars...

I can't say for sure anymore than you can say an anchoring transient is bleeding Fl taxpayers dry.
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All those anchored boats! A great opportunity for an anchor efficiency survey.
I wonder what type of anchor those boats have that been there 4 or 5 years. I want one of those on my boat.
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Because it's a lot easier and cheap to tow a car. What are you gonna do with a boat?
Tow it if it hasn't sunk.
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..................... If Florida legislators can't figure it out...and build FREE docks for transient boaters to tie up to in FL waters.................
Is it really fair for towns and cities to provide free dockage for boaters and compete with local businessmen and women who are trying to support their families owning and running marinas?

How would you like it if your town used your tax money to provide free towing service to boaters?
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Tow it if it hasn't sunk.
Where to?
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Where to?
A boat ramp and then to a landfill. Or offshore for fish habitat.
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A boat ramp and then to a landfill. Or offshore for fish habitat.
You're gonna take a 40 foot trawler or sailboat to a boat ramp and haul it to a landfill!
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You're gonna take a 40 foot trawler or sailboat to a boat ramp and haul it to a landfill!
Actually in Washington they pull the boats that have been abandoned and through all the legal procedures to boat ramps where they gradually pull them up on shore. They break them apart with track loaders and then put the pieces in dumpsters to be hauled off. Most of them are old commercial fishing boats. This is part of the Derelict Vessel Removal Program. The program is funded by small amounts added to registration fees.

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A town providing a dink dock gets far more in benefits for locals than costs.

Sure garbage comes in from the visitors , and FW goes out.

Resturant , grocery stores, cab co .and local hardware and marine supply benefit.

The folks that cruise anchoring seldom if ever use marinas , as it its a huge step down in living standards.

On the AICW , visit a marina at 11am, when its deserted of transients .
Fuel up , do the wash at the marina , go food shopping while the wash is drying dump the holding tank and take on water , after a taste.
About 2 hours later you are GONE!
The marina has had a few fuel , hardware sale$ and laundry bucks , in what normally is total dead time ,

Win - Win. Tip the dock boy , another win.
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Lots of luck with that.

If you don't live in Florida, you can't vote in Florida, all you can do is stay away and not spend your money there. People who take boats to Florida and anchor as opposed to staying in marinas aren't bringing in enough money to make a difference.
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While the lack of spending money may be true for some, it is certainly not true for all. A good deal of money is spent by those of us who prefer to anchor. Bay Pelican was in Florida for one year, we anchored extensively except during the hurricane season. Our spending that year in Florida would make any tourist office employee smile.

The derelict boat situation could be solved easily if state officials addressed the issue directly. Problem is without the derelict boats those who favor anchoring restrictions would be left without a strong argument.
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You're gonna take a 40 foot trawler or sailboat to a boat ramp and haul it to a landfill!
You don't go down easy, do you?

Read BandB's post. That's one way or pull them up on a rollback truck.

The option of letting them drift until they break apart isn't a good one.
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Not to forget, those abandoned boats and even some lived aboard are generally NOT LEGAL. I'm referring to anchor lights (almost never seen, except on cruisers) but also the state registrations are long out of date.

Boats sitting at anchor even long term are supposed to have registrations for the state they are in. I'm 100% against more laws. Simply enforce the ones already here.
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