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Old 01-29-2014, 07:54 PM   #21
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That's a smart move, Moby Nick. I wish I had done that. I've got the 15 kg (33 lb) claw and wish I had the 20 kg model. But truth be told, the 15 kg claw has never dragged, even in a 35 kt all-night blow on Prospect Slough.
Al, when/if your anchor fails, let's collaborate on our replacements, assuming you take the lead.
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Old 01-29-2014, 11:57 PM   #22
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Mark wrote;

"I figure a rough-surfaced anchor would hold a bit better than a smooth one."

I don't think so Mark. The SS one may hold better as there may be less friction and the SS anchor may penetrate better as in deeper and hold better. Just a thought. Certainly not to a cost effective level though.

With a new anchor I don't see how any anchor could compare favorably on a cost basis w a galvanized Claw.

What is the best Claw I'd like to know?
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What is the best Claw I'd like to know?
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The most expensive anchor you can buy for your boat is cheap by comparison to the cost of getting your boat off the beach and fixing the damage... providing there is enough boat left to repair.

I never understood how someone can spent $ 100,000 on a boat and complain about spending $ 500.00 for a anchor.

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Old 01-30-2014, 12:17 AM   #25
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Where/when did I ever say "What is the best Claw I'd like to know."? Didn't manyanchors say that?
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:22 AM   #26
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The most expensive anchor you can buy for your boat is cheap by comparison to the cost of getting your boat off the beach and fixing the damage... providing there is enough boat left to repair.

I never understood how someone can spent $ 100,000 on a boat and complain about spending $ 500.00 for a anchor.

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Sorry, you haven't convinced me that the most expensive anchor is the most effective nor the best for one's needs.
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Where/when did I ever say "What is the best Claw I'd like to know."? Didn't manyanchors say that?
Bad quote edit on my part...fixed!
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Sorry, you haven't convinced me that the most expensive anchor is the most effective nor the best for one's needs.

But it sure is hard to argue with a BIG over-sized known anchor with a 50 year history of working.
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I never understood how someone can spent $ 100,000 on a boat and complain about spending $ 500.00 for a anchor.
Or $20 for quality LED lights!
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Sorry, you haven't convinced me that the most expensive anchor is the most effective nor the best for one's needs. .........
You can be sure that the cheapest anchor is not the most effective nor the best for one's needs.
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The most expensive anchor you can buy for your boat is cheap by comparison to the cost of getting your boat off the beach and fixing the damage... providing there is enough boat left to repair. I never understood how someone can spent $ 100,000 on a boat and complain about spending $ 500.00 for a anchor. HOLLYWOOD
Thats exactly why we went with the anchor we went with.
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Or $20 for quality LED lights!


I bought them .... ONCE !

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COST-EFFECTIVE: economical in terms of tangible benefits produced by money spent.
Cost-effective - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


Some people rarely need an anchor that will hold in a gale...others may often put themselves in a position to need one.

Comical.... the argument of which anchor is "best" is almost unanswerable based on testing because there are still a lot of personal issues involved....throw in the term "cost effective" and it makes it SO personal, I really have to smile at most of the answers....
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The most expensive anchor you can buy for your boat is cheap by comparison to the cost of getting your boat off the beach and fixing the damage... providing there is enough boat left to repair.

I never understood how someone can spent $ 100,000 on a boat and complain about spending $ 500.00 for a anchor.

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Because the $200 anchor works just fine.

People have money for expensive boats because they generally do not spend it unnecessarily.

I have a very nice yacht, but I buy my pants at Costco for $12.99 instead of buying Levis for $49.99 Same thing with the anchor.
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Because the $200 anchor works just fine.

People have money for expensive boats because they generally do not spend it unnecessarily.

I have a very nice yacht, but I buy my pants at Costco for $12.99 instead of buying Levis for $49.00
I guess I wasn't totally clear....
I am not proposing to get the most expensive anchor...

What I was trying to convey was the fact that the anchor is cheap
(a 55lb delta for my O.A. is $ 525.00 new in galvanized but I will admit I found a used one for $ 175.00) insurance vs damaging the boat.

My buddies Nordhavn has a gorgeous Stainless hook on the bow that at 3 times the cost doesn't do anything more than a galvanized one except look good.

The Fortjford anchor that was on the boat was a 105lb piece of shit.. I have never had a anchor that was so hard to set.. it is currently yard art.

Just get a anchor YOU trust.. I could of spent way more for a Rocna or other but I bought a anchor type I personally know and trust

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I guess I wasn't totally clear....
I am not proposing to get the most expensive anchor...

What I was trying to convey was the fact that the anchor is cheap
(a 55lb delta for my O.A. is $ 525.00 new in galvanized but I will admit I found a used one for $ 175.00) insurance vs damaging the boat.

My buddies Nordhavn has a gorgeous Stainless hook on the bow that at 3 times the cost doesn't do anything more than a galvanized one except look good.

The Fortjford anchor that was on the boat was a 105lb piece of shit.. I have never had a anchor that was so hard to set.. it is currently yard art.

Just get a anchor YOU trust.. I could of spent way more for a Rocna or other but I bought a anchor type I personally know and trust

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... I really have to smile at most of the answers....
That's the purpose of this thread.
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That's the purpose of this thread.
Yep...I took the bait...maybe a name change for the thread..."humorous anchor thread"

nah...that would be appropriate for ALL anchor threads....
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Yes Hollywood I had the same experience w the Forfjord. Sold mine for $25.

There's only one of us that I can remember off hand that complained about the performance of the Claw anchor .. Marin.

psneeld wrote;
"Some people rarely need an anchor that will hold in a gale." Perhaps most of us or perhaps most all of us don't need that much anchor performance. And when that rare event comes most all of us will have listened to the weather report 99% of the time and will make our way to a good safe harbor and a stout float to tie up to securely.

I'm quite sure that's why there are so few complaints about the Claw's shortcomings. On my trip to Alaska w my previous boat I bought a Claw hearing that the set dependably and thinking that they look stout enough to use on rocky bottoms. The setting performance wasn't flawless but it did set every time. Worked for me (as they say) and I found the Claw to be cost effective as it worked and cost very little. Cost effective.

But as Hollywood pointed out a $500 anchor would be cheap compared to an anchoring disaster. So should we all buy the most expensive anchor we can find? I think not. And if we are really concerned about NEVER dragging or breaking out a double sized Claw is still way cheaper than the high end stuff .... or as many point out .. used.

And something that is a big part of this is that anchor performance is not proportional to anchor cost. Claws don't seem to be really cheap used. I've even seen them on e-bay for more than new. So perhaps the most cost effective anchor should be a used Danforth. I saw this active fishing boat in Ketchikan w the Danforth on bow and asked the skipper why she used the Danforth. She said it came w the boat. Most of us are so unconcerned w anchor performance that we just use the the anchor that came w the boat and is there and at our service at no additional cost or effort. We can even assume that it worked for the PO.

So reconsidering again ... perhaps the most cost effective anchor is the one that came w the boat.

The last anchor I bought was a $40 Danforth. Haven't used it yet but I consider it will probably be a cost effective anchor.
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