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Old 11-08-2014, 02:12 PM   #821
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That's the test we routinely use, too. And our shank routinely brings mud up, sometimes almost all the way up to the swivel. I can't always prove the shank was actually buried that far, though...

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In all this discussion Chris, remind me what anchor you have?

How else do you think mud could get up on the shank of a fixed shank anchor? Now on that old Danforth I spoke of, I suppose if the rode was dead slack over a long period of time the shank could get some mud on it.
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Old 11-08-2014, 02:35 PM   #822
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In too many videos: Pickup trucks pulling anchors along surface with rode parallel to ground does not a realistic-boating anchor set condition make.

Just sayen!!
Art, I could be wrong about this, but the pickup truck pulling was not all about setting. It was mostly about holding power. Notice that at that scope all the anchors set. I think another type test would be better for setting an anchor.

Plus the tester, Robinson, is an independent tester. The yellow cage vehicle is their design.
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Old 11-08-2014, 04:15 PM   #823
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Art, I could be wrong about this, but the pickup truck pulling was not all about setting. It was mostly about holding power. Notice that at that scope all the anchors set. I think another type test would be better for setting an anchor.

Plus the tester, Robinson, is an independent tester. The yellow cage vehicle is their design.
Yo, Don - We both could be wrong bout everything we say in terms of anchor calisthenics! - LOL

Then maybe I should change my wording just a bit... although... if it were holding and not setting they meant to primarily represent, I wonder why each film has nearly equal time in showing setting (some times even more time for setting) as to the holding accomplished thereafter? Why not have anchor pre set and focus longer on holding?? Vids still by majority have rode pulling pretty much parallel to ground which would (in a positive manner) affect holding as much as it would setting regarding any anchor design... as compared to real life 5-1 (or less) to 7-1 or more scope allowance.

Sooo... here's my just a bit changed wording: "Pickup trucks pulling anchors along surface with rode parallel to ground does not a realistic-boating anchor set [or holding] condition make.

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Old 11-08-2014, 06:51 PM   #824
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In the instruction pamphlet that came with our Rocna way back when, the use of all-chain rode was strongly recommended. Perhaps for the angle of pull reasons you describe....
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Old 11-08-2014, 07:18 PM   #825
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In the instruction pamphlet that came with our Rocna way back when, the use of all-chain rode was strongly recommended. Perhaps for the angle of pull reasons you describe....
I believe so, Marin. Heavier the rode (particularly full chain; larger the link the better - for added weight) then more parallel with bottom will anchor shank remain. Therefore better angle for anchor fluke(s) digging into bottom. This basic physics fact is reason Fortress Anchor's 45% angle adjustment capability works so well for setting and holding. Fortress 45% shank to fluke angle makes up for shorter rode scope and lighter weight rode... such as short chain attached to line.

As has been know for centuries: "Angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to hypotenuse of the square" - LOL
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Art, I could be wrong about this, but the pickup truck pulling was not all about setting. It was mostly about holding power. Notice that at that scope all the anchors set. I think another type test would be better for setting an anchor.

Plus the tester, Robinson, is an independent tester. The yellow cage vehicle is their design.
Don, just to clear up one possible confusion, the short beach test videos Delfin put up did not show the DATS yellow cage machine for standardised testing Robinson used - that's on the Anchorright website videos, best seen in the 'snatch test' video, I think you'll find.
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Old 11-09-2014, 07:53 AM   #827
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In all this discussion Chris, remind me what anchor you have?

How else do you think mud could get up on the shank of a fixed shank anchor? Now on that old Danforth I spoke of, I suppose if the rode was dead slack over a long period of time the shank could get some mud on it.

Our main anchor is a pivoting SuperMax, one size smaller than recommended for our boat weight. (Brought it over from our previous boat.)

I only meant that I've never dived on the anchor to see for myself. Sorta too muddy and murky here, usually, to be able to see well enough to mess with it...

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Old 11-10-2014, 10:32 AM   #828
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In the spirit of Marin's post regarding the government web site for anchors, and Chris / ranger42c's toll free anchor number, here's a very scientific holding power test of (2) Fortress FX-125s, with unfortunately disappointing results:

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In the spirit of Marin's post regarding the government web site for anchors, and Chris / ranger42c's toll free anchor number, here's a very scientific holding power test of (2) Fortress FX-125s, with unfortunately disappointing results:

With respect Brian, I think that only illustrates one of the problems with the Fortress design. My understanding is that if a wind shift had occurred, and the SUV had reversed course and backed over the pallet, it is even less likely the Fortress would have held in those conditions.
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:53 PM   #832
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With respect Brian, I think that only illustrates one of the problems with the Fortress design. My understanding is that if a wind shift had occurred, and the SUV had reversed course and backed over the pallet, it is even less likely the Fortress would have held in those conditions.
Delfin, quite possible. However, with all due respect in return, if a wind or tidal shift had forced the SUV in reverse, and it ended up centered directly over the FX-125 pallet, then those anchors might have slowed further movement and there might have been a more positive outcome to this comprehensive, real world test.

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Delfin, quite possible. However, with all due respect in return, if a wind or tidal shift had forced the SUV in reverse, and it ended up centered directly over the FX-125 pallet, then those anchors might have slowed further movement and there might have been a more positive outcome to this comprehensive, real world test.

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Maybe, but I would want to see actual objective and empirical data, preferably garnered by the United States government and have the test not merely limited to a single surface, like asphalt. Unless this experiment is repeated in gravel, ice, sand, quicksand, tundra, and the Okefenoke Swamp, I remain skeptical as to its relevance.
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Old 11-10-2014, 07:26 PM   #834
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I can't figure why lightweight fortress anchors are on a pallet anyway. Unless they are for a cruise ship or aircraft carrier....the average 6 year old should be able to pick one up in each hand.
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I loved the test of the Fortress FX-125 in post # 828. I have three anchors, an ultra on all chain as a main and two FXs as a backup on the bow and one as a stern anchor(chosen because of the weight and having to set by hand or with the dinghy).
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Maybe, but I would want to see actual objective and empirical data, preferably garnered by the United States government and have the test not merely limited to a single surface, like asphalt. Unless this experiment is repeated in gravel, ice, sand, quicksand, tundra, and the Okefenoke Swamp, I remain skeptical as to its relevance.
Agreed. I think that the cats played an integral role in this FX-125 testing, and should also be included in any further testing.

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I can't figure why lightweight fortress anchors are on a pallet anyway. Unless they are for a cruise ship or aircraft carrier....the average 6 year old should be able to pick one up in each hand.
Thank you for the unintentional lead-in to a shameless promotional opportunity.

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That is a cool demonstration, Brian.
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Agreed. I think that the cats played an integral role in this FX-125 testing, and should also be included in any further testing.



Thank you for the unintentional lead-in to a shameless promotional opportunity.

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Without independent testing, we have no way of knowing whether or not these crumb crunchers were actually holding anchors suspended by helium balloons. Data please.
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That's it. You sold me. I'm buying one for my petite wife for her birthday.

I'll let you know how much she loves it.
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Without independent testing, we have no way of knowing whether or not these crumb crunchers were actually holding anchors suspended by helium balloons. Data please.
You are right to be skeptical. For our magazine ads, we photoshopped the hair of the first lady below with the yellow top to a darker brown, as her flaming red hair was thought to be a distraction.

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That's it. You sold me. I'm buying one for my petite wife for her birthday.

I'll let you know how much she loves it.


She will love it as much as these other ladies, although a couple of them are not quite so petite.
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