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Old 10-21-2014, 09:56 AM   #1
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I'm considering moving to an all chain rode. I have a small boat at 28' & 8,500lbs. I'm using a 25lb Manson Supreme with 30 ft. of 1/4" ss chain and 200' of 1/2" line now. I would like to move to 100ft. of 1/4" HT chain backed with line. I don't intend to typically get beyond the chain and into the anchor line at all, if possible.

I'm looking at chain hooks. It's difficult to find a 1/4" chain hook. What would you suggest for chain snubbing?
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:26 AM   #2
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:46 AM   #3
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Thanks, I should have clarified. I am familiar with them, I was simply having a difficult time finding a chandlery which sold them in the 1/4" size. IT looks like I can purchase directly from Mantus and Wichard. for example, West Marine was only advertising a 10mm vesion of the Wichard. Defender Industries wasn't much better.

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Old 10-21-2014, 01:20 PM   #5
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So you rarely anchor beyond 5' of water?
30' chain minus 3' freeboard is 27' rode at only 5:1 scope that is 27/5=5.7' depth
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So you rarely anchor beyond 5' of water?
30' chain minus 3' freeboard is 27' rode at only 5:1 scope that is 27/5=5.7' depth

Hmmm, that sounds like you might be calculating the 30ft. of chain and not the 200 ft. of line behind it. I had mentioned in my original post that I have 30 ft. of chain and 200 ft. of line. I typically anchor at 7:1. The intention is to move to 100 ft of chain and use an all chain rode most of the time. I can't recall the last time I anchored in more than 10-12 ft. of water in the last 8 years. I'll leave anchor line backing up the 100 ft. of chain, though I doubt I'll get to beyond 100ft. of rode very frequently.

I appreciate that you calculated freeboard, as most people don't factor the distance from the bowroller to the water in their depth calculations. Or the distance between their transducer and the water for that matter.
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Oops, I missed the all chain plan. Sorry
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I do not advise using a standard chain hook like the "eye grab" pictured in RTF's summary. They tend to twist the chain and its link. Also the easiest to fall off, as I learned on a couple of charters, finally substituting a rolling hitch.

I had the ABI pictured, but I don't think it is made any more. Served us extremely well in hundreds of nights including some terrible conditions. But so did a rolling hitch (or two) for that matter, which preceded a friend giving me the ABI as a present. I liked the double bridle aspect; the boat tends to lay to one line or the other as it horses, except in big blows, when you get both taut. But so did a rolling hitch (or two) for that matter, which preceded a friend giving me the ABI as a present. Something like the Mantus or the devil's claw types:

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We use a V-bridle snubber with our all-chain rode and use a slotted chain gripper with a shackle attached to the upper corners (similar to the attached illustration).

Each snubber line has a karabiner at one end that clips to one of the shackles. The snubber lines are brought in through the port and starboard bow hawses and cleated to the two foredeck cleats.

I don't know if these plates come in different slot sizes. If not, and if you wanted to use one of these with smaller chain, I suppose it would be simple enough to have a machine shop cut one out of a sheet of stainless for you with the correct size slot and holes.
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We use a V-bridle snubber with our all-chain rode and use a slotted chain gripper with a shackle attached to the upper corners (similar to the attached illustration).

Each snubber line has a karabiner at one end that clips to one of the shackles. The snubber lines are brought in through the port and starboard bow hawses and cleated to the two foredeck cleats.

I don't know if these plates come in different slot sizes. If not, and if you wanted to use one of these with smaller chain, I suppose it would be simple enough to have a machine shop cut one out of a sheet of stainless for you with the correct size slot and holes.
Have you found a place to get those? Quite a few people have seen our rig but haven't been able to source one, one guy went so far as to have a machine shop fabricate one. Here's ours:

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I have the victory that's pictured with several other types and have been very happy with it. It stays on the chain with out any problems of falling off even with slack in the chain while retrieving the anchor.
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I'm considering moving to an all chain rode. I have a small boat at 28' & 8,500lbs. I'm using a 25lb Manson Supreme with 30 ft. of 1/4" ss chain and 200' of 1/2" line now. I would like to move to 100ft. of 1/4" HT chain backed with line. I don't intend to typically get beyond the chain and into the anchor line at all, if possible.

I'm looking at chain hooks. It's difficult to find a 1/4" chain hook. What would you suggest for chain snubbing?
None of the above.

Just go with a soft shackle made with Dyneema/Amsteel. The breaking strength of 1/8" exceeds that of the chain hooks and your chain, they are easy to put on and can't fall off and they don't beat up the topside paint.
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Have you found a place to get those?
Fisheries Supply carries them, or at least has them listed in their catalog. That's what I lifted the illustration out of.
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None of the above.

Just go with a soft shackle made with Dyneema/Amsteel. The breaking strength of 1/8" exceeds that of the chain hooks and your chain, they are easy to put on and can't fall off and they don't beat up the topside paint.
Disagree; you want something that will stretch, that's the whole point.
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Disagree; you want something that will stretch, that's the whole point.
I think what they are saying is you use the soft shackle to connect the snubber line to the chain in the same way as a hook.......
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Disagree; you want something that will stretch, that's the whole point.
You want a chain hook that stretches?

If you don't, and I am struggling understanding why anyone would, a soft shackle is far superior to any chain hook for attaching a snub line to the chain for the reasons stated.
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I think what they are saying is you use the soft shackle to connect the snubber line to the chain in the same way as a hook.......

Like this photo shows.
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Believe the OP's rode set-up (combination chain and line) is the better idea for his boat.
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Like this photo shows.
Yup. Stronger than a chain hook, and easier to use.
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