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Old 10-04-2013, 02:24 PM   #1
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New member here and new Trawler owner. 48' Kadey Krogen. Question about anchors. Bought the boat used and she came with a Navy type anchor, don't know Lb's it's not listed on the anchor anywhere, but it is big!. All chain rode. Wondering about changing the anchor to a "new generation" anchor like a Rocna. Any advice?
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New member here and new Trawler owner. 48' Kadey Krogen. Question about anchors. Bought the boat used and she came with a Navy type anchor, don't know Lb's it's not listed on the anchor anywhere, but it is big!. All chain rode. Wondering about changing the anchor to a "new generation" anchor like a Rocna. Any advice?
"Stand by for heavy rolls to port......"

Welcome! This is a hotly debated topic an any site, and TF is no exception.

To directly answer your question- we have a 30kg Manson Supreme on our boat, and are very happy with it. It sets quickly and holds on short scope.

We sleep well on the hook.


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I had asked that same question not too long ago as I searched and found a lot of discussion that was dated, given prices have changed etc I was looking for more of "today's" opinion, see link below, some good info:
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I am now being told that my anchor is a Forfjord put on by the previous owner. He traveled to Alaska every summer fishing.
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If you are going to go cruising by anchoring out , rather than running from one marina to the next BIG anchors are better than watchfobs , regardless of the watchfarb mfg claims.

I would be looking for a 60H Danforth or 90H danforth and as minimum a 60 CQR.

The CQR would be best at about 90 Lbs too, If you can find one.

These are the OVERNIGHT anchors , not what you would deploy in a hurricane.

Many folks would go lighter , but I hate getting out of the sack to deploy the second or third anchor in a thunderstorm.

Learn how to do a Bahamian more if much anchoring is in your plans.

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Thanks for the comments. We are currently cruising the San Juan's, Channel, and BC. We anchor mostly even if we are in a bay with a marina we anchor. It is sometimes quicker to get to land in our tender than the walk from a slip out at the end of the marina. We want an anchor that we can depend on no matter. Instead of doing a Bahamian I would rather go a size or two larger in the main anchor but that is another discussion. Just wanted to know if anyone has any experience with a Rocna in comparison. I may add a Rocna as a secondary anchor. Thoughts?
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Disregard FF's diatribe. It sounds like he might being giving good advice for Florida, but it seems relatively useless for Washington, BC, and Alaska, as we don't have hurricanes, thunderstorms, or anyone that Bahamian moors here. Danforth's are fine for mud and sand, which gets in limited in supply the further North you go.

There may be a reason the PO had a big Forfjord anchor with all chain rode on the bow.
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We're on our second Rocna. The first was a 15 kg/33# on our 32' Ennos Sapphire. We replaced a Danforth with the Rocna and had to relearn anchoring as the Rocna set instantly. It never hinted at dragging ever. (150' chain, 250' line)

When we purchased our Nordic Tug 42 it came with an old Bruce knock off which was okay but didn't engender confidence so it was replaced with a 33 kg/73# Rocna. Same experience; instant setting and no dragging. (400' chain)

The Rocna is our primary anchor; we have a large (forget the exact size) CQR as backup.

From our experience I'd say we are very happy with our Rocna, although we have not needed to rely on it in really heavy weather.
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Our Manson is primary, with a Fortress as backup. We've anchored all over Puget Sound with the Manson, and it's never let us down.

We're also all chain (350').
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Thanks all, like the comment by Northern Spy, "there must be a reason the PO had a big Forfjord anchor with lots of chain on the bow".
I wouldn't doubt it, but it is different setting it than I am used to. Haven't gotten used to feeling it set yet. Still would like to get a backup. The way the anchor tackle is set up, looks like 300' of chain, and then there is rope with a shackle to hook to the chain? I assume that is what the rope was for in that there is not a back-up anchor or a place on the pulpit for one. I can't imagine needing more than 300' of chain rode out. Don't know yet how much rope, haven't pulled it all out of the locker yet.
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I am now being told that my anchor is a Forfjord put on by the previous owner. He traveled to Alaska every summer fishing.
Welcome to T.F,

I to have the dreaded Forfjord anchor... someone told me Forfjord means P.O.S. in Norwegian and I totally believe it . I have the worst luck with the dam thing as far as setting it.. I think even a CQR plow is better (and I think CQR's are a P.O.S.) Other than in rock any anchor I have ever used sets and holds better than the F Anchor.. ironically it is a "F" word on our boat in more ways than one.

You would be so much better off with any of the newer tech anchors and will be amazed at how well the newer anchors set. The Rocna's are a great anchor and I don't think you could do much better.

As soon as I quit reeling from the purchase of a complete nav,sounder,HD radar a new anchor is next on the list..

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Give me the width and height excluding the shank and I can tell you basically how much it weighs + or - about 10%.

If the Navy anchor is heavy enough it should serve you well as many large yachts and lots of ships use them. A normal anchor for your boat may be 75 lbs or so and if your Navy is 175 lbs perhaps you'd be fine w an extra 100 lbs of ground tackle. The very dependable and wide range of performance may be worth the 100 lbs. They are probably good for any bottom generally speaking and short scope as well.

But if you do get a new anchor my choice would be Manson Supreme.
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One season on a 15K Rocna, and I have been using Hi-Tensile Danforth 20's for the last 25 years. There is no comparison. The Rocna sets instantly, never drags, and I always am confident of a good night's sleep. The best scope is 4:1 instead of 7:1, and with only 400' of 5/8" line, that is a good thing. The Danforth (and the Hi-Tensile's are the best of the lot in my opinion) often dragged before setting, and I got up many times to re-set the hook in the middle of the night. The high tidal ranges here work a hook and the Rocna has been outstanding. I would never waste "new" money buying an "old" technology anchor, the new designs are simply better.
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I would never waste "new" money buying an "old" technology anchor, the new designs are simply better.
I`ll avoid the "my ** anchor is better than your*** response" and agree with the above. There have been huge advances in design, a man would be "a fool unto himself and a burden unto others" not to go with a new proven design. Which one? Unless you have tried or tested them all (Eric may have), take advice and make a choice. I`m happy with my new Super Sarca, probably not available to you there, there are others of similar, not identical, new design.
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To sum up, as the Sarca range seem still difficult to obtain in the northern hemisphere thus far, (more's the pity), then yep - go for Rocna then Manson Supreme, (possibly the newer Boss, but I have heard little feed back on it yet), in that order, would also be my advice. Either way, you would sleep well at night.
But do some Googling on Sarca, because they are organising Northern Hem. distributors, so there may have been some progress there I am not aware of....
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PS. I sent Rex of AnchorRight a PM...and email, in case he's off watch...
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Ah yes, an anchor discussion. 18 posts in a matter of hours.

Without discussing which anchor is best, the original poster mentioned a Rocna for a Krogen 48. We have a 40kg Rocna on our Krogen 42 and would suggest a heavier Rocna for the larger Krogen 48. Unless people laugh at the size of your anchor it is not big enough.

One downside I see with heavier anchor is the ability to lift it off the bottom if the windlass fails. Rocna makes a 55kg and a 70 kg anchor. Suggest looking at these models for a Krogen 48.

Can't say that a Rocna is the best anchor, however, our Rocna sets almost immediately, pivots when the wind shifts and has held us steady when all hell broke loose and other boats were dragging.

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