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Old 08-14-2014, 01:50 PM   #81
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The EX-CEL is much heavier
Is it the same physical size?
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:03 PM   #82
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Is it the same physical size?
No. Slightly larger. By the chart the next size down would have worked, but Rex said let's go a size up for a little better holding. The Delta is 44#. The Sarca 66# (30 kilo). It is a number 6 Sarca.

In the picture it is about 43" from floor to eye.
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Old 08-14-2014, 03:32 PM   #83
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I woulda stuck w the 44lb weight Don. But it would be hard to argue w Rex and perhaps stupid too.

I think the Super SARCA is Rex's crown jewel.

So put me on the exchange list for a 20 to 25lb Super SARCA.

Rex,
What was the SARCA like before it was "Super"?
HaHa the salesman in you will come out and say it's always been super.
My stupid question.
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Somebody better start carrying them on this side of the pond. I plan a complete revamp of my foredeck layout next year and one of those Aussie hooks is going on.

Was the import fairly painless Don?
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Somebody better start carrying them on this side of the pond. I plan a complete revamp of my foredeck layout next year and one of those Aussie hooks is going on.

Was the import fairly painless Don?
Craig, the import was painless for me. Joy took care of the shipping and tariff stuff. It's the air freight bill that is a little tough. If Rex could send over by ship in pallet loads it should get reasonable.
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Craig, the import was painless for me. Joy took care of the shipping and tariff stuff. It's the air freight bill that is a little tough. If Rex could send over by ship in pallet loads it should get reasonable.
I looked into that when I was trying to put together a joint order a couple of years ago. I cannot remember what the cost was per anchor, but it wasn't too onerous. You just need to combine orders, then Rex can palletize and ship by sea to a common port. From there, depending on weight they can be freight forwarded to recipients outside the area.

What is needed is for someone to pick up distribution, and I can't quite see why someone hasn't.
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Too bad somebody with oh say a marine supply store in the USA couldn't work a deal with Rex.
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Too bad somebody with oh say a marine supply store in the USA couldn't work a deal with Rex.
Oh...I can't imagine who that might be. It should be someone who is poised to take advantage of the upcoming Panamax ships that will be bringing a lot of Australian and far east cargo to the deeper dredged Atlantic Coast ports like Miami.
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Maybe even someone who has a dock behind their shop and can serve good Cuban coffee while your new Sarca is being loaded on your boat!
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Ok, Ok, I'll look into it. I think Rex and I spoke some time ago. I suggested he talk to Imtra Corp. as they already import marine supplies from Oz and NZ. They are also set up for wholesale distribution. I suspect you would need to bring them in by the container load to make it cost effective. That's a lot of anchors.

Many years ago my Dad was the first to bring Whale pumps into the US. After we got them started, Imtra took over importing them. Now Whale has their own US operation.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:38 AM   #91
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An anchor thread somone said, looks like gunpowder without the fuse, well as long as you dont lite me we should be fine.

Really humbled by all of the nice comments you guys have made, thanks Don, you too have been great to deal with, there are quite a few questions, I will answer them some time later this evening.

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I woulda stuck w the 44lb weight Don. But it would be hard to argue w Rex and perhaps stupid too.

I think the Super SARCA is Rex's crown jewel.

So put me on the exchange list for a 20 to 25lb Super SARCA.

Rex,
What was the SARCA like before it was "Super"?
HaHa the salesman in you will come out and say it's always been super.
My stupid question.
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Yes Eric the 44lb excel would probably have done the job for Don, as it was getting toward the pointy end then I recommend the next size up, better to be over than border line, I understand the many variables that come into setting and having a great performing anchor for all conditions, patience, chain , Rhode length, type of substrate, unfortunately the seller of any anchor design cannot be on board for first hand advice dishing out all of this long term experience--so I run with the with USL code rules for boats under survey.

Because it works for boats private and commercial, yes I know you all want to know why,

It would take another thread of discussion and disagreement to disagree, so just a brief from me, if a customer is building a boat to survey I always ask him to have the anchor specked by a survey officer, Commercial as well, we do not spec the anchors of the large boats under survey, it is done by survey officers. The success rate of our product over twenty years I would like to believe has been based on design and performance, just as importantly correct weight and sizing, Survey officers do this and based on my evidence do it well.

Over twenty years of supplying survey regulation I have based our anchor selection and advice on much of the same info, remember I am not dealing with what any single one of you may think, as to anchor size, we are dealing with the broad public that just want results experienced-- or not to service their needs, the USL code has served us well, Eric you are a prime example of someone that knows what he wants, but just look back at all of your threads, your fiddling and consistent passion on this subject is fanatical and has taught you much.

The Super Sarca, no smoke and mirrors, Manson served up their Manson Supreme with Super High Holding Power certification, we had to step up, with the aid of the TASTS Rig we redeveloped the Sarca, after spending approx. twenty thousand Dollars we managed to produce higher holding power figures from the Sarca, end of story, the redeveloped Sarca was tested and certified with super high holding power, no longer the Sarca ---now Super Sarca.

Yes like all of us we are proud of our crown jewels, unfortunately my anchor s will last a lot longer them, in fact they already have.

The Excel came a bout from demand to produce an anchor that would come through a pull pit, that is a rectangular hole rather than a bow roller, they wanted something with similar holding to the Sarca, but much improved on the Delta.

When you look at the Excel it is a squashed up Sarca, same turned down toe concept, cutting edges all round, a much steeper convex than a Delta, the rear flukes are concave in the configuration of what we call a single plain fluke, this means we have maximum lock up holding power by compression, all of the substrate when compressed is not ploughed out ward, it goes over the top rear central of the Excel driving it deeper.

The best way to view this is to go to our web site and view the environmental video, the Excel used to have a bisaloy 80 shank, we have now moved to 400 bisaloy as the price difference is no longer significant, you the customer ends up with yet a stronger design.

The weighted toe is made of stainless to allow for sharp robust cutting edges that won’t rust as there is no Gal to wear of , the actual convex ballast splitter head is filled with cast steel before galvanizing , further down the track when it needs a regal there is no lead to melt out and replace.

You get what we say, no smack, no smoke and mirrors, if you are not happy with the product performance after a season, simply send me photos of you cutting it up and I will send you a full refund.

For what it is worth, holding power figures on our web site were not from” promotional tests”, they were actual figures from Robertson’s Super High Holding Certification, not unlike Manson with the Lloyds tests or any other classification for that matter it too cost me thousands.

Is it a perfect anchor, show me one that is, I believe we have as good as if not better than the world has to offer. And Eric, those bricks, you would only need half the amount to build a wall of the same size using Ozzie bricks.

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My conversion to the Sarca EX-CEL is complete. Now all it needs is some serious anchor dunking. If anyone doubts the seriousness of this anchor, come take a look!
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It is America's loss that they do not have the opportunity to buy product off a chandle'rs shelf from Anchor Right, arguably the salesmanship has not been sufficient convincing, yet, for a distributor. Maybe Rex needs to add much more spin to entice the money men. But this is just one example, I have never seen a genuine Danforth in a chandler in Australia or Europe (though oddly they are one of the few anchors on display in chandlers in Japan). Plastimo who have a marketing operation in America (are sufficiently unconvinced about their own Kobra) do not sell many, any(?) of their models of anchor in America and Spade has yet to reach Australia's shores.

We are all the poorer for not having the choice and think where the American market would be if salesmanship and maybe spin had not sucked the CQR, Delta, Supreme, Bruce and Bugel etc from their native shores.
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Craig, didn't you say you wanted a good-sounding horn? Where does that fit in your plans?
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Craig, didn't you say you wanted a good-sounding horn? Where does that fit in your plans?

Kahlenburg to be installed this spring. I've about got the compressor sorted out as I wanted an oversized tank. Plumbing to the desired location is also about sussed out too.
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Kahlenburg to be installed this spring. I've about got the compressor sorted out as I wanted an oversized tank. Plumbing to the desired location is also about sussed out too.


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I graduated from CQR types, of unknown origins, to a Super Sarca. I`m very happy with it, thank you Rex. Two friends have them on sailboats, and are just as pleased.
In fairness, I`m sure there are a number of other excellent anchors available. I hope one day our USA friends have a better opportunity to get up and close with a Sarca.
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It is America's loss that they do not have the opportunity to buy product off a chandle'rs shelf from Anchor Right, arguably the salesmanship has not been sufficient convincing, yet, for a distributor. Maybe Rex needs to add much more spin to entice the money men. But this is just one example, I have never seen a genuine Danforth in a chandler in Australia or Europe (though oddly they are one of the few anchors on display in chandlers in Japan). Plastimo who have a marketing operation in America (are sufficiently unconvinced about their own Kobra) do not sell many, any(?) of their models of anchor in America and Spade has yet to reach Australia's shores.

We are all the poorer for not having the choice and think where the American market would be if salesmanship and maybe spin had not sucked the CQR, Delta, Supreme, Bruce and Bugel etc from their native shores.
Maybe salesmanship and marketing have sought their own level (like water seeks it's own level) and supply/demand have leveled out.

Maybe the pressure to buy sell is where it's at despite all the hoopla on forum anchor threads and manufacturer "tests".

Maybe the consumers feel "satisfied"....
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Rex-- Have you done any research on what the US/Canadian market might be for your products?

When we went in search of a replacement for our Bruce, I first heard the name "Rocna" on the Grand Banks owners forum. Tthis was some seven or eight years ago as I recall, maybe even more. I looked at their website, watched their videos, read the user testimonials that were on the web here and there, and decided the anchor was worth a try as it offered (in my opinon) a far better anchoring concept and design than any of the other anchor types I was familiar with. Our attitude was that if it worked better for us, great, if it didn't we 'd try something else.

So I called Rocna in NZ and talked to them for a long time about their anchor, our boat, and our boating environment. They recommended a specific model of their anchor for our purposes, but then said that the shipping cost of anything other than their smallest models would be pretty staggering. Which it was.

But.... and this is where this story might apply to you... they had just started having the Rocna manufactured in Vancouver, BC. They said that the BC fabricator used manufacturing methods that were even more advanced than theirs down in NZ. Same anchor, same label, same design, same warranty, same materials (the right ones in those days). The only difference was where it was made. THe purchase price was the same from the BC fabricator as it was from Rocna in NZ. The difference was the shipping cost.

So we ordered one from the Vancouver fabricator, which I was told was the first Rocna ordered from the PNW. When it was built (they only built to order back then) we simply drove up to Vancouver and picked it up.

The anchor was nearly $1,000 back then, but we didn't have to pay duty because when we told the US customs guy at the border that we'd bought an anchor during our day trip to Vancouver, he looked in the back of the Range Rover where it was sitting and decided that a lump of metal didn't have much value and waved us through.

My point is that I'm wondering--- if a market study shows a sufficient demand for your products in North America--- if having it manufactured in Canada might be a way to go.

I have no idea if this would be cost effective, because whether it's shipping in bulk from Australia or paying a supplier to manufacture the anchors here (leaving a profit for you in either case) those costs would have to be reflected in the consumer's price for the anchor. And what that would do to your competitive position I have no idea.

Initially for Rocna, it made their anchors very, very expensive to buy in this country. This was, I'm sure, the motivation for moving production to China, first with Holdfast and now with Canadian Metals.

Which, of course, would be another option for you. I realize a lot of people have an immediate reaction of "it would become a crappy product if you build it in China." But I've worked there enough to know that this is not the case at all. In China, you get what you ask the fabricator to make. But you do have to have good oversight, which I suspect is probably what happend to the Rocna when Holdfast started having them made there. Holdfast didn't maintain good oversight and the fabricator decided to cut costs by using a lower grade of material. That's my guess as to what happened, anyway.

But Nordhavn does great buidling in China. Boeing and Airbus do great building in China. EDO Floats (for floatplanes) which is owned by Kenmore Air Harbor here in Washington, does great building in China. In all cases, the parent company keeps a close eye on the manfuacturing quality, just as they keep a close eye on what goes on in their home plants.

Anyway, while there's been a lot of "you should sell them here" talk on this forum, the forum represents a tiny fraction of the North American boating market. Which is why I'm curious if you've evaluated what that market is in reality in terms of selling your products here.

For Rocna, manufacturing in China allows them to price their product very competitively here in the US and Canada. I see more and more of them in our marina. There are three or four boats on our dock alone that have switched to Rocnas within the last few years.

The anchor we bought so many years ago costs far, far less today than what we paid for it. And, assuming it's now made out of what it's supposed to be made out of, it's the exact same anchor that we bought way back when for whole lot more. (We're still not sure about the materials they use, which is why we keep ours padlocked to the boat. )

Don might want to do the same with his new Sarca.
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