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Old 01-27-2011, 08:39 AM   #41
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Sometimes these threads get carried away for the sake of argument...* go with what YOU know works.....
Just because something is "old" and we are used to it, does not mean it is wrong or won't work.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:45 AM   #42
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Peter B wrote:" I think you worry too much about weight up front really. "
I disagree. To keep the bow as light as is practical is a good seamanship. I have a horror story about an idiot (me) that had too much weight in the bow but lived to correct the problem." And that's all I have to say about that."

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Old 01-27-2011, 01:36 PM   #43
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Well Peter,* your'e not going to bust out much w your rode hang'in straight down. Ha Ha "I suspect you bought one smaller than that" Yes. It's listed at 15lbs but weighs in at 17. My scale is correct and I think anchor weight should be advertised correctly so I'm not impressed and yes I should have the 25lb MS but it's prolly 27 or 28lbs???? I can pull the 17lb fine w 10 or 12' of chain but I'm going to get a Fortress so I won't need the MS very often. I really want a 33lb Manson Ray but they cost $900. AND I'd need a winch to haul it up.
Sailor of Fortune,** Yes it's easy to align one's thoughts w bigger boats when one associates w those that have bigger boats. Willy's 8 tons but has only average windage.
I almost NEVER anchor in lumpy water. Almost always calm but 50kn winds are not rare. So the Fortress that will replace the original Danforth on the boat should be at least adequate up to that (except rocks) or more wind. And at 60+ I'd need to spend the night in the wheelhouse w any anchor. Your advice is excellent. Get out of the computer talk (mostly of larger boats) and take stock of my specific requirements. Your good judgement is no doubt one of the reasons you have the job you have. Thanks for sharing.

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I disagree. To keep the bow as light as is practical is a good seamanship. I have a horror story about an idiot (me) that had too much weight in the bow but lived to correct the problem." And that's all I have to say about that."

Good point Walt, but realistically, for Eric to have a mainly nylon rode, plus 30 ft of correct weight chain, then a properly weighted anchor up front, we are still not even talking of much more than the weight of a man on the foredeck, and I think a 30 ft 8 ton boat is more than up to that without unsettling pitch behaviour, surely.* He just seems to be going round and round in unnecessary circles over this anchoring business, trying as Marin said, to make the physics fit the scenario he wants, rather than the inevitable other way round.

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Old 01-28-2011, 12:20 PM   #45
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Good point Peter but the Danforth has proven to me it's short scope abilities and later if I feel the need for chain I can attach a 12lb lead weight to the end of the shank and that should hold the shank down as well as about 24lbs of chain. Setting the anchor hard instead of light will also increase my level of performance. A deeply set anchor dosn't require as much catenary. Peter, I don't have the desire to have the correct or proper weight of chain but I do have the need to have things that work. By the way Peter, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if one welded up those slots in the SARCA it may out perform the Rocna and maybe even the Fortress. I still don't see any SARCA outlet in the US.
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Old 01-29-2011, 06:12 AM   #46
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I disagree. To keep the bow as light as is practical is a good seamanship.

Good theory , but in reality ???

Our 50 ft Lobster boat is VERY light for its size under 10 long tons .

My bride is about 110 lbs and it is imperceptible to see the bow go down when she walks forward.

So a 60 CQR ans a 60 Danforth might in theory be better stowed in the bilge ,

but to me its better Seamanship to have them instantly ready in bow rollers.
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nomadwilly wrote:Good point Peter but the Danforth has proven to me it's short scope abilities and later if I feel the need for chain I can attach a 12lb lead weight to the end of the shank and that should hold the shank down as well as about 24lbs of chain. Setting the anchor hard instead of light will also increase my level of performance. A deeply set anchor dosn't require as much catenary. Peter, I don't have the desire to have the correct or proper weight of chain but I do have the need to have things that work. By the way Peter, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if one welded up those slots in the SARCA it may out perform the Rocna and maybe even the Fortress. I still don't see any SARCA outlet in the US.
I know it does, with the slot just like it is Eric.* However, I am begining to wonder, if one didn't mind waiting a bit, whether it might not be a worthwhile investment for you to order an approriately weighted Sarca, (as advised by the company for you boat's weight and length), and even just pay the shipping yourself....?
Give them a call/email, whatever - I'd be really interested to hear the outcome.... Maybe you might prod them into getting a North American agent...?
http://www.anchorright.com.au/produc...w-anchors?id=7

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Old 01-29-2011, 10:38 PM   #48
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Peter,
I sent an inquiry to the SARCA people. I also reviewed the web site. It seems the SARCA penetrates deeper than the Manson Supreme. The MS seems to plow along the just below the surface making a mess of same while the SARCA looks really good digging deeper and presumably holding better. Looks good to me.
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Eric, I'll be interested to hear what they come back with to you. How hard can it be to get a 33 odd lb anchor shipped from here to there if not in a hurry...? Looking at their chart you would need the #5 =14.8 kgs = 33 lbs, or the #6, like mine, which is 22kgs = 48 lbs, but they would advise on that. If your boat is 8 ton, then it's heavy for a 30 footer, and might need the bigger one. It would mean a power winch also however, or you'd kill yourself hauling it. But I promise you this, if you did it, and the winch, with a gypsy suitable for chain/rope rode, (allowing for the depths you anchor in and not wanting too much weight up for'd), you would neeeever regret it, and you just loooove anchoring out. Failing that - same setup as above, but suitably sized Rocna, which you can get. Pity about the Manson Supreme, but what Craig Smith says fits with what I have researched as well. You might say it is a knock-off or hybrid mix of the Rocna and Sarca, and copies which are hybrids are definitely sus in my view. But hey, it could be your 'other' anchor for off the stern, where you have to hand pull and don't want heavy. I know we are talking decent money here, but what more important piece of equipment after the engine is more important for that good sleep?
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Old 01-30-2011, 03:39 PM   #50
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Hi Peter,
It's Sunday and I hav'nt heard anything. Perhaps tomorrow. Yes, a 33lb SARCA should be fine. If the shipping isn't crazy maybe I'll go for that. Would mean a bit of chain and at least a capstan to get the metal close enough to hand pull the last bit of the rode. I like the way the SARCA digs down a bit w/o plowing so much through the hole in the roll bar. But I don't believe it's ideal to test anchors out of the water. The sand behaves differently when it's not submerged. Don't like that big hoopy thing on the bow though. I just noticed the SARCA only provides the slot**** ...no optional hole or short slot. Just an observation*** ...don't see it as a problem. I could put the SARCA on deck. Your'e boat looks bigger from the stern. Are you planning on some trim colors to break up some of that white paint?
A color less saturated would look best I think.
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Yes, a 33lb SARCA should be fine. If the shipping isn't crazy maybe I'll go for that.
Eric---FWIW when we had decided to buy a Rocna I talked to the manufacturer in New Zealand about which size would be best for our boat.* I also asked them about shipping.* This was some five years ago or so.* They said they did not recommend shipping any anchor over 20 pounds from New Zealand because the shipping costs above that weight were astronomical, almost equalling the purchase price of the anchor.* That's when they recommended that we buy our Rocna from Suncoast Marine in Vancouver, BC.* They had started making the Rocna there as well, so for us the shipping price was the cost of the fuel for us to drive from Bellingham to Vancouver and back.

I have no idea what shipping costs have done since then, but be prepared for a pretty high quote for shipping a 33# anchor plus the crate they'll put it in from that part of the world to Alaska.

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Ok Eric, so challenge them why they are not exporting to the US of A, with the huge market there? You might mention their main competitor, Rocna, is already there....?
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