Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-06-2019, 09:24 PM   #1
Member
 
City: Longboat Key
Country: United States
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 8
Anchor chain and swivel and anchor.

There seems to be multiple levels of WLL in the 5/8 chain, which would you get and would you get a Mantus integrated shackle swivel( this also comes in several WLL for 5/8? My boat is a 36 footer that was stretched to 41(Pursuit 365I) with an outboard clamshell and small "Euro-transom".
While were are at it, the factory anchor is a 35 lb ss plow through the bow, thoughts about that. I also carry a Frotress anchor that Fortress alleges is for a 39-45 boat and I have 30 feet of chain on that.
I know this boat is minimal for long distance cruising, but I own it and until I absolutely KNOW that I love cruising, I am waiting of the N or KK or similar.
Thanks for all of your help!
__________________
Advertisement

Chris71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 10:06 PM   #2
Guru
 
rochepoint's Avatar
 
City: Sidney BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Rochepoint
Vessel Model: 1985 Cheer Men PT38 Sedan
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,353
5/8 chain seems awfully big, did you mean 5/16? Our 38' PT sedan has 5/16 chain, an #2 Mantus swivel and a 48lb Excel anchor.
__________________

__________________
Cheers Mike Barge
MV Rochepoint
Sidney, British Columbia.
Yes, I have my "AnchorRight - Excel"
rochepoint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 02:23 AM   #3
Member
 
City: Longboat Key
Country: United States
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 8
You are correct, I meant to write 5/16. Thank you for pointing that out. The reat is accurate though.
Chris71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 07:48 AM   #4
Veteran Member
 
wpc691's Avatar
 
City: punta gorda, FL
Country: US
Vessel Name: Blue Bayou
Vessel Model: Hatteras 43MY
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 55
If you’re using a windlass, you want windlass chain, which has short links. It comes in Grade 30 (BBB) and 40 (HT). HT is stronger than BBB, but not by as much as the WLL’s imply - different multiples for the two, a marketing gimmick, I guess. Either should be fine for your boat. Don’t forget the strength of the swivel, which is likely far less than the chain. When I researched replacing my chain (went from 1/4” BBB to 5/16 HT), I ditched the terminal swivel and D shackle setup the boat came with, and went to back-to-back 3/8” galvanized alloy shackles, which have the same ultimate strength as the chain. To my surprise, the shackles work better than the swivel; I’ve never had to fiddle with the anchor (55 lb Delta) to get it the right way over the roller. Don’t forget to double seize the shackle pins.
__________________
Punta Gorda, FL
wpc691 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 08:29 AM   #5
Guru
 
kchace's Avatar
 
City: Brookline, NH
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Blue Heaven
Vessel Model: Albin 43 classic double cabin, twin 135 Lehmans
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,225
IMO 5/16 HT is a good size and strength for your boat. If you have or plan to use a windlass, you MUST match the chain to the windlass "gypsy". If you're buying a windlass, you can decide on your chain and buy the windlass to match, if you already have a windlass, you can either match what you have or (usually) buy a replacement gypsy to match the chain.

As far as matching WLL limits goes - it really is true that your chain is only as strong as its weakest link. For links and or swivels you should at least match the WLL of the chain or possibly go higher - never lower.

Ken
kchace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 09:07 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 419
I highly recommend the Ultra Anchor Swivel, has an impressive working load and great design. I have one 1/2 version for my primary and one for my secondary anchor.
Also if you are worried about the chain breaking get/make yourself a good snubber as that will reduce the peak loads.
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 07:29 PM   #7
Veteran Member
 
firehoser75's Avatar
 
City: Nanaimo
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Pilitak
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 75
Careful with swivels! They are not bad in and of themselves, but with how most boaters attach them. Most swivels are not designed to take a "side load" and should not be attached directly to the anchor. Even some of the very expensive stainless swivels have reportedly failed when attached in this way, and they were side loaded by the boat moving about at anchor.

Something to think about at the very least.
Regards,
Tom
__________________
Tom
Nanaimo, BC
firehoser75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 07:36 PM   #8
Guru
 
rochepoint's Avatar
 
City: Sidney BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Rochepoint
Vessel Model: 1985 Cheer Men PT38 Sedan
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,353
Quote:
Originally Posted by firehoser75 View Post
Careful with swivels! They are not bad in and of themselves, but with how most boaters attach them. Most swivels are not designed to take a "side load" and should not be attached directly to the anchor. Even some of the very expensive stainless swivels have reportedly failed when attached in this way, and they were side loaded by the boat moving about at anchor.

Something to think about at the very least.
Regards,
Tom
That the beauty of the Mantus swivel, it designed shackle has no side load....
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Screen Shot 2019-01-07 at 4.37.30 PM.jpg
Views:	21
Size:	33.6 KB
ID:	84017  
__________________
Cheers Mike Barge
MV Rochepoint
Sidney, British Columbia.
Yes, I have my "AnchorRight - Excel"
rochepoint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 08:50 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 419
Agree on most swivels, once you have seen the ultra in person there is no way that’s breaking before the chain. In all fairness I think it’s also 10-15x the cost of a cheap swivel.
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2019, 03:02 PM   #10
TF Site Team
 
City: Westerly, RI
Country: USA
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,275
We use 5/16 G40 chain with a Mantus swivel. We are very happy with both.
Shrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2019, 09:01 PM   #11
Member
 
City: Green Cove Springs
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Nomad
Vessel Model: Chris Craft Commander 55
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 15
The others have covered the chain, but regarding the anchor. I have used plows, danforths, and next gen anchors. The next gen anchors are far superior.

Get a Rocna, Mantus, Manson, Sarca, or Spade. They are significantly better than the older styles.
Commander Nomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 08:12 AM   #12
Guru
 
ranger42c's Avatar
 
City: Maryland
Country: USA
Vessel Model: 42' Sportfish
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,932
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris71 View Post
...and would you get a Mantus integrated shackle swivel( this also comes in several WLL for 5/8? My boat is a 36 footer that was stretched to 41(Pursuit 365I) with an outboard clamshell and small "Euro-transom".
While were are at it, the factory anchor is a 35 lb ss plow through the bow, thoughts about that. I also carry a Frotress anchor that Fortress alleges is for a 39-45 boat and I have 30 feet of chain on that.
If by plow you mean a Delta, it could work well enough depending on your typical holding ground. You might hum a few bars about the bottom material that you most commonly encounter.

If by plow you mean CQR... I don't have any experience with one of those...

The Fortress chart won't load just now, but sounds like maybe you have an FX-23? If so, should be good. And you boat has relatively low windage too, yes? Even better...

Were it me, I'd only use a swivel to solve a specific problem. If I had to use a swivel (we do) I'd choose a good one, and I'd pay particular attention to a given model's potential for dealing with side-loading.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Nomad View Post
The others have covered the chain, but regarding the anchor. I have used plows, danforths, and next gen anchors. The next gen anchors are far superior.

Get a Rocna, Mantus, Manson, Sarca, or Spade. They are significantly better than the older styles.
I don't have experience with those, but I can say the SuperMAX would also be a very good choice.

-Chris
__________________
South River, Chesapeake Bay
ranger42c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 10:42 AM   #13
TF Site Team
 
City: Westerly, RI
Country: USA
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,275
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Nomad View Post
The others have covered the chain, but regarding the anchor. I have used plows, danforths, and next gen anchors. The next gen anchors are far superior.

Get a Rocna, Mantus, Manson, Sarca, or Spade. They are significantly better than the older styles.
+1 We've had a Classic Rocna, a Mantus Supreme and currently have a Rocna Vulcan. I keep a Fortress as a stern anchor or emergency spare. It's is too small to be a proper bower.

I would never use a Danforth style anchor as a primary anchor.
__________________

Shrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012