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Old 06-20-2016, 11:31 AM   #21
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"Since 90% or more of the vessels anchoring out don't use a float and rarely do boats ever seem to get their anchors tangled up together or have another vessel swing into them."

That's fine in a wide open anchorage , but in the Bahamas many anchorages are tight , some basically on the side of a tiny river.

In the North East same problem not every anchorage is grand , and the few that are will have town moorings or locals with a dozen trying to make a business.

Letting other folk know just where your anchor is set seems to help more than it hurts.

And of course the ability to tug it out if fouled PRICELESS , even tho its free.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:34 PM   #22
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"Since 90% or more of the vessels anchoring out don't use a float and rarely do boats ever seem to get their anchors tangled up together or have another vessel swing into them."

That's fine in a wide open anchorage , but in the Bahamas many anchorages are tight , some basically on the side of a tiny river.

In the North East same problem not every anchorage is grand , and the few that are will have town moorings or locals with a dozen trying to make a business.

Letting other folk know just where your anchor is set seems to help more than it hurts.

And of course the ability to tug it out if fouled PRICELESS , even tho its free.
And you still almost never see a anchor buoy in those areas and people rarely tangle.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:41 PM   #23
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And you still almost never see a anchor buoy in those areas and people rarely tangle.
I rarely see a buoy in my area either. Personally I could care less if someone is sitting over my anchor as long as they have a lot of scope so when the wind changes direction I have someplace to swing. If I swing onto their buoy they are going to lose that marker because I am not going to sit at anchor crippled.
They do more harm than good in my opinion. That's why they are rarely used around here.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:47 PM   #24
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Poker wrote;
"How can anyone coming in to the anchorage even guess how much scope I have out or where my anchor is without a float ?"

Lots of ways one can guess w a fair degree of accuracy.
1. One can see where all the other boats are oriented and observe the wind. The anchors will be somewhere upwind.
Quite simply not true. Didn't you look at my photos ?
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:50 PM   #25
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It seems as if the East Coast folks definitely don't like them. But then they also seem to have more defined "anchorages" than what I am used to out here.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:51 PM   #26
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They do more harm than good in my opinion. That's why they are rarely used around here.
Somewhere around 2000 nights at anchor has convinced me otherwise and my light string and milk jug have never harmed anyone but to each his own.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:57 PM   #27
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I see both sides and have flip flopped back and forth several times in my boating life.

I do agree though that in anchorages where you don't have all long distance cruisers anchoring...and even then...you have no idea of what scope is out or in what direction from the boat if the conditions are benign.

With all the different kinds of boats and ground tackle and skipper experience out there, it really is a guessing game.

But the good news like some have said..usually it works itself out except in tight areas and/or people arrive after dark. Then it's a roll of the dice if weather brews up.

Geez...just in my own post I may have changed my mind....
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Poker re post #17,
The upper pic shows your float way out there. That computes.

The 2nd pic shows the float right alongside. That dos'nt compute. Your anchor can't be right alongside your boat in that current. Surely the line on the float is much shorter than the rode.

Sorry I don't see your point.
Sorry if I was wrong but I don't know what about.

Re the topic I'd go over where another's anchor may be or even probably is if chain was hang'in off the bow. May not with line on the bow.

I've used a trip line several times in Alaska mostly because of the logging. And it was for anchor retrival not marking the location of my anchor. In Alaska we anchored most of the time alone or w a boat or two .. way over there. But down here I'm going to need to pull up short so my anchor will be near the boat.
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The 2nd pic shows the float right alongside. That dos'nt compute. Your anchor can't be right alongside your boat in that current. Surely the line on the float is much shorter than the rode.
Riding on 150' of chain, the current or wind has to pick up considerably to straighten the rode. I'm in 15' of water with a 15' piece of string between my float and anchor. Seems pretty simple to me, I don't understand what does not compute.
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Wind against tide can make all kinds of designs lay to their anchors all over the place.

Mix a houseboat, a trawler, a cat sailer, and a deep draft sailboat in an anchorage with a half knot to knot of current opposing 10 knots to 15 knots of wind and see what you get.

Been there done that...last tight, confused anchorage was Georgetown, SC. All 4 lying differently. Whether boat type or ground tackle...doesn't matter....you just never know till a current or wind lays em all out straight...but something small can change that pronto.
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And you still almost never see a anchor buoy in those areas and people rarely tangle.

Must be because everyone is displaying the appropriate day shape.
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Fortunately, I've only anchored with other boats well-distanced.

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Poker,
You put out 150' of chain in 15' of water on the east coast w very little tide?
I can begin to see why you need to mark your anchor. I can now see why other boaters would 'nt be able to guess easily where your anchor is.
You're lible to cross state lines w that rode.
Why 10-1 scope?
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You put out 150' of chain in 15' of water on the east coast w very little tide?
I can begin to see why you need to mark your anchor. I can now see why other boaters would 'nt be able to guess easily where your anchor is.
You're lible to cross state lines w that rode.
Why 10-1 scope?
I've taken a direct hit from a tornado with a 90 degree knockdown, I've been anchored through three tropical storms (even rougher than the tornado). I put out every inch of rode I have room to lay out ... I like to sleep well.

PS. I am one of only two boats I have ever seen flying a day anchor signal .... three if I count Mark

PS2. Lots of places on the ICW with 9' tides. How about Kilkenny Creek in Georgia with up to 11.5'
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Remember, when calculating the scope ratio you measure the distance from the bow roller to the creek bottom, not just the water depth. If your bow roller is 6 feet off the water then the distance to the creek bottom is 21 feet so 150 feet of rode is about 7:1. Still more than you need in a protected anchorage. But it means you have the same ratio as the boats with nylon anchor rodes.
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You put out 150' of chain in 15' of water on the east coast w very little tide?
I can begin to see why you need to mark your anchor. I can now see why other boaters would 'nt be able to guess easily where your anchor is.
You're lible to cross state lines w that rode.
Why 10-1 scope?
Bingo.

Because the rest have 45 feet out in 15 feet of H20 like you said.

The guy with 150 has everyone very confused.

But I hate crowds anyways so would simple pull up anchor and move if it got that busy.
If someone drops anchor within 300 feet of me i am gone.
I prefer them 1500 feet away ideally.
Where i am moving to next year several people have boats they anchor and i anchor there to.....but if i can't drop more than 1000 feet from them i back out and drop way out from shore.
Its not a difference to me if I have to travel 300 feet or 1500 feet to shore.
Law there is a regional law that says max time without moving is 9 days anyways so every 8 days they pull up and move 1000 feet and re drop.
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I should add i also will not live in a crowded place.
I own an acreage so my neighbors are far away.
My new place i bought 4 lots in a row and tore the junky houses down that were on 2 of the 4 lots....the other 2 are bare Iand.
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Bingo.

Because the rest have 45 feet out in 15 feet of H20 like you said.
I think you have to re-read my post. I said everything I have "room for"
"Room" is made by many considerations including other boats and again, if you look at my photos you will see no other boats in those anchorages.
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In my NOTW, an anchor buoy might just quite easily be figured for a crab pot buoy.
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In my NOTW, an anchor buoy might just quite easily be figured for a crab pot buoy.
What procedure is appropriate when one snags an anchor buyoy?
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