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Old 02-24-2014, 11:19 PM   #21
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Most all of my anchors are inexpensive and I've not yet had one stuck. But I have used a small buoy and a trip line. Don't bother unless I'm in an anchorage that is known for logging debris or similar. And then I use my very inexpensive Claw anchor.
Not so much worried about losing a Claw, but rather 200 feet of chain rode although could save some of it sawing for an hour.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:01 AM   #22
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Some boats carry bolt cutters for that reason, sailboats do to cut away rigging.
The anchor buoy is a rarity here, it might help keep out the idiots determined to graze both bow and rode, but I doubt it.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:14 AM   #23
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Read FF's post closely, his method virtually eliminates that possibility.
Doesn't work with the tide 10-15' around here. Too much friction in the eye of the bouy. Rigged one up and tried it a few times. Now I don't bother.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:35 AM   #24
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Here are some notes from my anchoring log:

Thoughts on Anchor Buoys and Retrieval Lines:While there may be an argument for equipping the anchor with a retrieval line and float, the possibility of loss of the anchor and rode do not seem to justify the inconvenience and possible fouling/loss of anchor retrieval gear. If you are anchoring at a location where boats normally anchor, the only reason to put out a line and float with the anchor, would be to help other boaters locate your anchor position. This only works if wind shifts and vessel congestion do not create a situation where it may be very difficult to correctly guess which anchor buoys belong to which boats. In most anchoring locations, the presence of a floating buoy/fender seems to confuse many mariners, not to mention dinghies with kids who keep trying to pick-up the float. Recently, it has been observed that some cruisers have been deploying an anchor buoy and then cautioning other vessels to not anchor too close to their anchor buoy. In a harbor with restricted anchoring room, this can eliminate an anchoring spot or two because it is common and safe for boats to swing over other anchors. [Have recently witnessed the crew on an anchored boat actually yelling at a boat trying to anchor and coming too close (apparently) to their anchor buoy. Reminded me of animals marking and defending their territory. I now refer to this as "territorial anchoring".]
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:26 AM   #25
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Folks that run the AICW find many of the nicest anchorages are either up a small creek , or in an area that is submerged woodlands.

Either is greatly assisted by a trip line, as even our Hyd windlass balks at lifting tree stumps.

A float on a 100 ft line would be a disaster in a tight anchorage , but directly above the anchor it is useful Information.

With high skill and cunning the boats NAME can be painted on the float ball , a help for newcomers. WE use a bit of reflective tape too for the late arrivals..

The next arriving boat is responsible for clearing the other anchored boats.
Just anchoring and tossing 7-1 line overboard does not give ownership to a 1000ft circle that musty be kept clear .In a crowded anchorage many boats will need to reanchor if the wind shifts dramatically.

We try for shallow water , frequently Bahama Moore , and sleep all night.

AS the setup self launches, the work of coiling the line after the anchor is in chocks is minor , and the weight has the advantage of having an accurate depth reading instantly ,as required.

A depth sounder tells what is under where ever it is mounted , a sounding lead is accurate where you toss it, to the inch .

For us loosing a 60 lb anchor be a loss.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:29 AM   #26
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I almost always use an anchor float. I gauge the depth then tie on a milk jug with light twine of appropriate length before dropping the hook.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:39 AM   #27
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.......... Am purchasing a new anchor from Hopkins Carter tomorrow and frankly if I lose it-I lose it. I'll just order another new one. .
You'll also lose part of the rode. If it's all chain you'll need a way to cut it or you'll have tu dump the entire length. If it's rope/chai you'll lose the chain part and have to buy new chain and try to find someone to splice it. My anchor cost only $100 but the rode cost $300.

If you don't have a spare anchor and rode, losing them means no more anchoring until they can be replaced. If you are on a cruise, that can be an issue.

Yes, it's a good idea to carry spares and I have a spare anchor and rode on board but they are not equal to the main ones.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:46 AM   #28
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Folks that run the AICW find many of the nicest anchorages are either up a small creek , or in an area that is submerged woodlands.

Either is greatly assisted by a trip line, as even our Hyd windlass balks at lifting tree stumps..
That's the point entirely. Use a trip line where you know or suspect underwater snags. Don't use one where the bottom is thought to be clear.

Some folks live and boat in areas where snags are not a problem but it helps to understand that others may run a risk of losing their anchor and rode without a trip line.

I normally do not use a trip line but I have it ready and use it when I think there's a risk of snags.
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Some excellent discussion, personal experiences and thoughts. I like the idea of a retrieval line. One could attach a float if desired, if so, I like the idea of the line through the float with a weight on the end to allow for tide. Thanks!
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I'll tell you an anchor retrival method that worked for me, several years ago we were anchored at Rabbit Island just east of New Orleans. We had spent the night on the hook in about 10' of water. The "hook" was a virgin 45 # Delta on 5/16" chain. When we got ready to leave it was hooked solid on what I believe was a piece of an abandoned oil rig, those who have been by Rabbit Is. will know the rusting hulk I am talking about. For about 45 min. I tried pulling from every angle and could not get it to budge. I was going for the hacksaw when I remembered a suggestion fellow list member Charles from Patterson La. had given me years ago. Onboard I had a piece of 1/4" chain about 2' long, with it I made a loop around the anchor chain just outside of the bow roller with a shackle and fastened it to the end of a piece of 1/2" dock line. With the windlass I pulled the boat up tight so the anchor chain was vertical and lowered the loop down to the anchor, the chain, and anchor shank, being vertical let the loop slip down over the anchor shank. Then I loosened a good bit of anchor chain and keeping the 1/2" dock line fairly tight I drove the boat forward and the anchor came free right away. So I was able to save the brand new Delta and continue without too much delay.
It worked for me then, I haven't had to use it since, maybe someone else can benefit,
Thanks you again Charles!!

P. S. Boatpoker: if you read this Jon & Candace on Isle of Skye spent the night at anchor with us that night we travelled eastward together till Ft Myers
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:50 PM   #31
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Good thread. I think these folks figured out how to solve you all's problem. Saw this at the Seattle Boat Show:

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Old 02-25-2014, 03:53 PM   #32
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Steve that was a good save and story. One could do a similar thing w another boat. Both boats pulling a bit in opposite directions. Sometimes just a little common sense and/or engineering thought can do near wonders. I think they make eliptical rings especially for retrieving anchors basically the way you did. Way to go Steve and thanks for taking the time to share.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:54 PM   #33
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Good thread. I think these folks figured out how to solve you all's problem. Saw this at the Seattle Boat Show:

Anchor Buoy Home - Anchor Buoy
I want one ! what a great idea.
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Steve`s well thought out recovery method in post 30 sounds like using the shank slot on a Super Sarca and some other anchors, to aid recovery.
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Good thread. I think these folks figured out how to solve you all's problem. Saw this at the Seattle Boat Show:

Anchor Buoy Home - Anchor Buoy
A high tech solution to a low tech problem.

I kind of like it.
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Steve`s well thought out recovery method in post 30 sounds like using the shank slot on a Super Sarca and some other anchors, to aid recovery.
Yep, that's pretty much how the Super Sarca slot works, only minus the need to rig a loop of chain, use a separate retrieval line, and so onÖ

Sorry EricÖbut I didn't start this...
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Don't use one where the bottom is thought to be clear.

The problem is you never know.

There is a nice anchorage near the USCG station at Cape May NJ.

Looks great , tho a bit soft so a good sized anchor is required.

The fun is the USCG has been dumping scrap probably for decades ,in the bay.

One AM we were very lucky to be able to get a loop under some heavy heavy cable as we watched out 5/8 nylon anchor line begin to shred from the load..

The CG had no interest in my buoying the cable for them to remove.

Thought to be clear , gives many surprises.
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Don't use one where the bottom is thought to be clear.

The problem is you never know.

There is a nice anchorage near the USCG station at Cape May NJ.

Looks great , tho a bit soft so a good sized anchor is required.

The fun is the USCG has been dumping scrap probably for decades ,in the bay.

One AM we were very lucky to be able to get a loop under some heavy heavy cable as we watched out 5/8 nylon anchor line begin to shred from the load..

The CG had no interest in my buoying the cable for them to remove.

Thought to be clear , gives many surprises.
Picked up some cable about 1/4 mile off the beach in the ocean there too. 2 strong guys pulling as hard as they could almost put the bow of my 23' sailboat underwater. Never know what you might hook into.

Still a mystery to me ....as pro/cons dance in my head all the time about anchoring...just like the never use 2 anchor crowd....they will proclaim the end of the earth scenarios too ....yet buoys and 2 anchors are popular with many experienced cruisers also.
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Peter,
Looks like we don't need those slotted shank anchors. Just a loop of chain and some basic can do. I actually block off the slot w a bolt up near the rode end on my Manson. I don't use the hole for the non-slot option as I feel the small increase in throat angle is or may be worth having for better short scope work. Probably sets better w the hole and slightly smaller throat angle. I'd be tempted to use the open slot w a SARCA though. More stable design I think.

As a side thought I run my trip line through the roll bar for a better retrieval angle. I figure the further back the better for a retrieval attach point.
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