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Old 03-12-2019, 03:09 PM   #21
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So I guess the answer is no.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:11 PM   #22
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You'd be better off w a Supreme or Mantus 25lb
Mantus is $250. The Supreme is actually 28lbs. Far stronger though.
Or Supreme, Vulcan, Boss, Rocna or many other newer designs.

Your 33 Bruce will be fine if you don't get into a 50knot summer gale.
Or better still, same weight or more and a better anchor.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:06 PM   #23
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The Lewmar knock-offs were the ones with casting issues. I have heard that the ones made by Manson are good quality, but don't have any first-hand experience to back that up.
Oh yes I forgot about the Manson Ray.
Clearly a Claw but very unique.
There was a shoot-out article in a mag done on a coarse beach featuring a Supreme, a Ray and I think a Rocna. Don’t remember details but the Ray did make a good showing. It’s rather expensive and I belive forged. The test was done in Chili by Manson.

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“going a size bigger” going from a Claw (non-Bruce) to a modern HHP anchor dosn’t need to be the same size or larger. Actually a bit smaller as my previous post implies ..... IMO.

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Yes I agree the Lewmar is cheap cheap.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:24 PM   #24
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If you're leaning toward the Ray this could be your Day.

40% off at the moment. 33lb $438.00
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ďgoing a size biggerĒ going from a Claw (non-Bruce) to a modern HHP anchor dosnít need to be the same size or larger. Actually a bit smaller as my previous post implies ..... IMO.
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I know technically you can get away with smaller but same weight or bigger is better

When its blowing 50+ you don't want to be thinking " gee, I wish i hadn't downsized that anchor"
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:04 AM   #26
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If you fall between sizes in the anchor manufacturers table,for sure go bigger not smaller. Same if your boat is heavier, has more windage etc, than usual. But generally, I`d follow the mfr advice, they want to sell you as much anchor as they can and they know their reputation is on the line every anchor they sell.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:05 AM   #27
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My 33-pound China-knockoff of a Bruce, works great in the protected San Francisco estuary with its thick bottom mud (anchor sets quickly, holds in 4-knot reversing currents). Works fine for me, but not necessarily in your waters.
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I think the people at Fortress Anchors might be smiling with all the talk about anchor weight.
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Give me a 44lb no name Claw and a 10lb Fortress choice w a 40 knot blow forecast.

Or a choice of a 33lb Bruce v/s a 15lb Supreme.

Bigger is better means nothing until the anchors are named.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:12 PM   #30
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I think the people at Fortress Anchors might be smiling with all the talk about anchor weight.
Fortress are aluminium, not a valid comparison

There are people who reckon they have problems getting their anchors to dig in and I have seen people, same brand anchor as ours having problems in weedy areas.
We have no such problems, I put it down to the extra weight of our anchor vs theirs.
Never once have we done any more than drop it and let it self set.
800+ nights never moved an inch.
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I think the people at Fortress Anchors might be smiling with all the talk about anchor weight.
I've never owned a Fortress but have used them a couple of times on deliveries. I found that in river or tidal currents they took off like a kite and it was virtually impossible to get them down where i wanted them.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:40 PM   #32
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Well if it's going to be bashing it should be pointed out that Fortress is the highest holding power anchor in the world.
Sure they are Danforth types (also very high holding power anchors (since 1938)) and they sure aren't perfect.

Simi60 wrote;
"Fortress are aluminium, not a valid comparison"
Sure it is. Fortress could have made them out of plastic. We compare anchors, usually out of convenience by weight. When only comparing steel or iron weight is a good standard.
But the real standard should be what each anchor costs. How many dollars for how much holding power. But that would change how we look at a number of anchors like Claws and aluminum anchors.

But re Simi's comment I think it's fair to compare aluminum anchors as long as one compares the performance also. And at times an aluminum anchor can be king of the hill for those deploying by hand. Then lightweight becomes a very large part of the performance issue. I could't handle a 44lb Claw but an 18lb Fortress would (i'm quite sure) out perform the Claw easily.

And if you have a windlass you're free to use a Fortress also. If you have a limit on the physical size of anchor you can handle that would be part of a comparison. But remember many anchor experts and manufacturers say that holding power is directly proportional to fluke area and there is no lack of that using a Fortress.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:11 PM   #33
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Your anchor is a piece of safety equipment. You don't want it to drag, ever. If it's the only anchor you carry, it wouldn't hurt to be a little bigger than some chart for generic boats indicates. Whatever the anchor brand.
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Thank you all for your valued opinions. I’m going to upgrade to the larger Bruce.
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Thank you all for your valued opinions. Iím going to upgrade to the larger Bruce.
It`s a record! 34 posts and conclusion reached on anchor type and weight!
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:31 AM   #36
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Thank you all for your valued opinions. Iím going to upgrade to the larger Bruce.
If changing anchors, why not go with a nexgen anchor?

Most all experienced cruisers I know and others I have read articles from, all (including me) seem to agree to be happy with the decision.
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I've never owned a Fortress but have used them a couple of times on deliveries. I found that in river or tidal currents they took off like a kite and it was virtually impossible to get them down where i wanted them.

Can you say what sizes those were? I've read about that happening, but haven't ever seen it. The smallest we've used was an FX-23...

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If changing anchors, why not go with a nexgen anchor?

Most all experienced cruisers I know and others I have read articles from, all (including me) seem to agree to be happy with the decision.

Agree. Unless there's some reason a Bruce is the only kind of anchor that will mount on the bow tackle properly...

If you're open to upgrading, I'd at least do a full comparison of all the new one currently available... augmenting the tech specs with pics Noelex has posted and video's Steve has posted.

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I size anchors by the method and effort used to bring them on deck.

If you have a good windlass or capstan, sleeping is lots better with a 60lb or larger anchor.

If price is a problem there are usually plenty of genuine used Danforth or CQR's that have served worldwide for multiple decades.

A flyweight anchor with a heavy line is a poor choice as the nylon will not stretch enough to ease the load.
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The Lewmar knock-offs were the ones with casting issues. I have heard that the ones made by Manson are good quality, but don't have any first-hand experience to back that up.

Dang... Could have gone all day without hearing this. Guess what anchor we have?
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