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Old 07-17-2012, 09:42 AM   #21
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AusCan, those Capella 36s were also sold here under the name of Blue Seas 36, and they are excellent boats. (They were my dream boat actually until my wife insisted on a sedan version with aft cockpit - or else...so the search went on). There is a Blue Seas 36 sedan type with aft cockpit also, but rarer back when they were made - like my Clipper.
Yes, definitely they have scuppers, as Flashwillie's pics confirm. It looks in good nick, and anything that old, with an engine room looking that clean, has had to have been looked after quite well I think. If the surveys fairly ok - I say fairly, as it won't be perfect - it looks like a good buy if you want an aft cabin layout. Keep us informed.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:17 PM   #22
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Gordon,inspecting,taking and posting pics to help, is TF at its best.I`m familiar with Blue Seas,did not realise this is the same boat, not seen one here with aft cabin. We had one in my bay with Volvos,FLs are better.
The boat looks good overall,the window frames look to have had recent work,being varnished you can tell what`s there. And a bath,wow! If it has been painted the paint may come up well with a good polish.
I do not like the look of the decks,you may want to factor some cost into the price, but I doubt it`s a deal breaker.
I`m no fan of using the delivery voyage to check the boat out either, especially across the Great Australian Bight. Friends near came to grief doing Gold Coast> Sydney like that.But if you do,give the old bedsheets a good wash,no airing of dirty linen in public.BruceK
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:47 AM   #23
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After speaking to a few more people about the teak decks, it has made me wary. The initial cost, plus trucking, plus replacing the decks is already stretching the budget, without including any other surprises. I have re-evaluated and decided to start in a bit lower price range.
What I am considering now is a 1981 35 ft Millkraft ex-trawler. It has a timber hull; the deck, cabin and flybridge are plywood over timber frame and fiberglassed.
Powered by a Fiat Iveco 8361 170hp. Capital 4-12 Hec gearbox
The interior isn't quite as flashy as the Cappella but it appears to be a good honest boat. I'm giving up the twin screw, but it is half the price.
Anyone have experience with these Brisbane built trawlers? (or the Iveco?)
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:53 AM   #24
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Millkraft have a great name. Going for a single screw is a good idea when you want to save: more room to work on the engine, 1/2 the mtc cost and time and you can afford to do sensible upgrades if needed (like multi-stage fuel filtration). Obviously you will get a surveyor expererienced in timber vessels to go over hull, decks and house. What about the fuel and water tanks...what are they made of and can you assess condition? Are you able to post a link to photos?
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Here's the link. Its a Sydney boat.
Used 1981 MILLKRAFT EX-TRAWLER Boat For Sale - boatsales.com.au
Just a few basic photo's there. I recieved a copy of a survey done 3 years ago and she all checked out well then, but I'll be getting another regardless.
The main reasons i was leaning towards twin screws is for manouverability in a tight marina in the wind. She gets fairly breezy here in South Ausstralia and any flybridge really catches it. Backup power is also a consideration, limping home on one engine. But yes, a single is cheaper, and I could spend the money on getting everything more dependable.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:15 AM   #26
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Actually - its moored up at Lakes Entrance. Any suggestions for a good marine surveyor in the area?
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:20 AM   #27
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Ahhhh - I mean Lake Macquarie. (I've looked at far too many boats)
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Aus Can,
Millkraft were great timber boat builders,(confirm authenticity),no mention of timber used.
Is it spotted gum planks on hard wood frames.
Good timber boat builder for survey to check nails and fastenings,caulking etc.
The Fiat is a good engine and plenty more HP than required so it can be used very econimaclly.
Built 81 so not old for a timber boat so should be in GC.
3 years is a long time, especially if the boat has not been hauled and antifouled at least every 12 months.
I wouldn't worry about single engine too much , remember diesel engines require, fuel ,air and cooling. 3 basics. keep it serviced and it will see you out.
Water tanks are easily replaced either in stainless or plastic. me I prefer stainless.
If original the fuel tanks are probably steel but most likely tar epoxy coated so should be in GC.Drain them and check them internally is my reccomendation.
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:19 AM   #29
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The trawler origins are all there, looks like a tough boat.
Lake Macquarie is close to Newcastle; try there for a surveyor. Maybe check Afloat magazine, or ask Club Marine, I think they have a list of surveyors most areas.There is a TF member on the Lake who might know, I can`t recall the name.(You don`t want it surveyed by the broker`s brother-in-law.)
Thought about getting it to South Australia? Give some thought to the Swansea bar for exiting the Lake. Road may be cheaper,and less exciting, especially with a "new" boat.
If you search Boatpoint under Millkraft, you`ll see what they built and get a sense of their strong reputation. BruceK
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AusCan: Lake Macquarie is a major boating area and there are plenty of timber-boat-experienced surveyors there and at nearby Newcastle. Don't worry about the Swansea bar...it is fine if you go out top of tide in calm conditions....but that is NOT a boat to take around to SA via sea unless you are very experienced/hire an experienced skipper AND have put the time & $$ in first before leaving L Mac to making sure all is right. Bruce is right: use road transport if you go ahead.
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Aquabelle: No - I wouldn't be doing the 2000 odd nm to Adelaide for the maiden voyage in an unproven boat. Safe harbours are few and far between along the south coast. Plenty for me to do and learn first. I'll limit myself to St Vincent Gulf & Kangaroo Island south coast for a while. There's plenty of exploring (and challenges) there. Once I'm comfortable and familiar with the boat I can venture out to the Spencer Gulf and Port Lincoln. She's not a Nordhavn but I think she will be suitable for what I'll be asking of her if properly prepared and maintained.
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AusCan,For a some Millkraft porn, check out a recent "for sale" ad. on Boatpoint.
How`s progress, did you find a good surveyor, how did it go? BruceK
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Bruce - There certainly are a few nice Millkraft around. The 98 footer was a bit out of my price range at $2.9 million. The 100 ft paddle wheeler would be cool although I don't think she handle a big aft swell very well.

BTW- My survey should have been done done today without me, as I had to work an extra 2 weeks in Iraq. I'm hanging out to hear the results. (as well as getting home) I'll make the call on whether its a done deal when I get the news.
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Bad news, she has some serious issues. It's back too scanning the boat porn websites.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:03 PM   #35
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Steve,You kiss some frogs finding a princess,shame if it costs $ though.
Can I throw in a couple of fibreglass boats, the Masters34/Aquarius35 and Cresta 32.Both have reputations as sea boats, are popular with fishermen looking for an offshore boat, and may suit on price and accommodation .
I owned a Masters and can vouch for it (better at sea than my IG36); usually single engined(often Perkins unless re-engined),vary widely in condition, gear and price,come in FB or sedan and are tough,mine started life as the CYCA`s committee boat. The Cresta 32 has twins,(I think the hull became the Savage 33),comes in FB. I spotted a twin Hino diesel one on B/point at <50K,(Lake Macquarie again) ,it looked a lot of boat for $. Both would have as good or better layout than the Millkraft. Good luck. BruceK
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Yes Bruce, the Cresta 32's and Masters 34 have caught my eye before. They would suit the purpose well, even if they don't have the same "saltiness" as a timber trawler. None here in Adelaide though, they tend to be Sydney/Brisbane boats. I like that older Cresta at Lake Macquarie. Another boat that might fit the bill is a Randall 34, although most seem to be in Perth. I might have to put on a few miles. They all seem to have good reputations for seaworthiness.
There's a 28ft Lien Hwa Flybridge here in SA with a single Lehman 80hp that I can pick up for about $30k through a mate, but it might be just a bit small, and much more uncomfortable in a messy chop. It has just recieved a big refit with all new windows, decks, wall lining, hatches, woodwork, paint etc. over the past two years. I'm still tossing up the idea though. Great price especially since I dont have to spend another $15k to transport it to Adelaide. It may be a good short term option which I may be able to sell with minimal or no loss when the "dream boat" comes along. Decisions, decisions.
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Steve, 28ft probably is too small and it can take a long while to sell any boat. Better be patient and get it right first time.
You clearly know what is available. Relocation is a big cost you can`t recover. Bringing a boat to where it is unknown could be a value issue too. I nearly bought a Randall 32(from Lake Macquarie!) instead of the Masters 34 as my first powerboat but was scared off by the twin sterndrive maintenance issues. Randall are from Perth, 34s often have a single shaft drive diesel, a good one to add to your search and transport from Perth should be much less than from Qld.
Wood v f/glass is personal,but there are enough things to maintain,one less is good, confining your search to wood limits the number of boats to consider.
Despite the mass of boats for sale I too was getting frustrated before I found the Masters. I was fortunate, post GFC,to sell it well,even recovering the cost of real upgrades (as opposed to maintenance). Best of luck, BruceK
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Hey Steve, On Boatpoint/Yachthub,Randall 34s are pricey, mostly twins. Seen the Sydney Cresta 32 p.66 Afloat September @45K ono? 200hp Volvos is a lot,the Lake Macquarie one could be nicer. They are a bit old fashioned inside but good value around 40K.BruceK
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Yeah Bruce, I'm starting to lean that way. I've never seen a Cresta other than photo's, but I get the impression that they are the Australian version of a Tolleycraft. Heavy duty hull construction, good seaworthiness, and loyal owners who wouldn't have anything else. I've only heard of one Tolley on the market here, but it seems to be in rough shape.
The Cresta's basic fitout wouldn't bother me. That can be upgraded according to my own timeline and their would be room in the budget at this price.
I'm finally back in Oz on Monday and will try to get over to NSW next week to have a look.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:38 AM   #40
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Still looking.
Here's a boat that caught my eye. Asking price of $95,000 seems reasonable for a $2M+ boat when new. The mooring, maintenance and fuel costs might be a bit hard to swallow. And somehow I don't think my wife would be too keen on it.




Have a look at the video. She's got some power.

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