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Old 05-24-2013, 08:07 AM   #21
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Yes, Hi guys. Had a great day there Thursday, and really nice to meet you all. In fact, for me that was the best thing of the whole day. I didn't need to buy anything, having just invested in two new Lowrance Depth-sounders, and with no major projects on the boil at present, and as mentioned, the range of boats of interest to us was down somewhat.

I really enjoyed have a good gecko (really good look in Oz-speak for US eyes), at Benn's Tidahapah. A really roomy and practical layout, yet he has been able to change its usability by tweaking places here and there, to better suit changing needs. Something you can't do in a plastic fantastic.
"But this is definitely going to be the last (of three) refits", he says. Yeah...right Benn, we believe you mate.

Really interesting to hear about see the progressive pics of Brian's (Insequent), Ocean Alexander 50 refit, and all the ins and outs of bring a boat that size home from the US to Brisbane.
We also learned more from Paul (Aquabelle), re his trip up from Sydney to Mooloolaba, via the inside of Moreton Bay, and tickled to hear they really enjoyed, as we do, the trip up the Brissie River.
Now, we are all agog to hear what (Navigator) Don comes up with in a new boat, now herself, (his words) has given the nod.

Happy boating or boat hunting guys...
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:19 AM   #22
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Yes, it was good to put faces to the names. While disappointed at the range on display at SCIBS, the search parameters for our next boat are certainly going to make it an interesting journey for us. The common "suspects" have already been eliminated and I hope to avoid going down the custom route if possible.

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Old 05-24-2013, 07:52 PM   #23
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I have had a quick look at your Kekada blog and thus have some idea of what the "common suspects" list would look like. Good luck with the search.

Although I have spent a bundle on my major refit I think its a route worth considering. If one of the suspects is close, and is structurally sound, then a competent yard can get you in a good place a lot faster and a lot cheaper than a custom build. Guys that spend a lot of time repairing stuff that was not well designed bring a lot to the table in terms of how to layout and build/fit systems. Keeping stuff simple, and planning for service access are hallmarks.
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:48 PM   #24
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Warning slight thread hijack.

My 1800 Watt Xantrex has just died by the look of it, and following on from your discussion on inverters and placement on the boat, any recommendations for an inverter if I don't replace the old Xantrex unit with a new one.
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I think it would be a brave decision to replace with a new Xantrex. I think Victron are great, and a lot of folks regard Mastervolt as being comparable in quality.

During my refit the yard recommended Outback initially. But on further analysis we noted that it couldn't have the input frequency range (for the charger section) I needed for my system which has both 110V and 230V sections. Although, by the time we finalized the design we incorporated a separate 50A charger anyway, Victron Phoenix, that will accept virtually anything.
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Old 05-25-2013, 01:49 AM   #26
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Andy,
I would definitely recommend the Victron inverter chargers.
I am on my second, thru no fault but upgrading .
Have actually never heard of anyone having a problem with the Victron units.

If you were interested in a 24 V unit I may have a 24V/2000 W/50 A - 30 amp switching relay unit for sale as another upgrade is in the making.

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Hey, and I've been in the 'hallowed place' and seen it Andy, and can vouch for the fact it looks virtually new.
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Thanks for the feedback guys, unfortunately my boat is a 240/12 volt set up, so I guess the 24 volt unit is a no go for me, or am I missing something?
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Brian,

the blog is a bit out of date. Our criteria now is for a boat that can handle the canals (sub 3.5m air draft) as well as having trans ocean capabilities, preferably without having to load up on external fuel bladders etc. It would be nice to match what we had in Kekada but I think we will have to make a few compromises ie prefer fibreglass but the Dutch make some great steel boats that seem to meet many of the criteria.

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Have you considered Tad's Passagemaker Lite? His 74 was crafted with canals in mind. Of course it comes with a hefty price tag, but it is a lot of boat. That design emerged during discussions on another forum about canal boats, and in the descrioption you will see some coments about canal usage Passagemaker Lite 74 fast, seaworthy, fuel-efficient long-range passagemaker ~ Power Boat Designs by Tad Roberts

I was looking at tweaking his 56 to fit canals better, and Tad did email me with a preliminary lines plan for 60' x 12' variant of the 56. He said it was fast and easy to tweak - after all it was just slim and lengthen slightly. These dimensions are the limits for the locks in the broad beam canals in England, and I think a 12 ft beam is enough. Mind you, it would definitely need some good stabilisers in the ocean with such a narrow beam. Building in steel in Poland or Turkey would be cost effective, but both the Dutch and the English are pretty slick at building steel barges so some CNC cut plates for a different design would be easy for them as well.

I researched canal boats over a year ago. As I recall they could meet EU RCD Category B (Coastal) if required, but not Category A. I assume you are looking at something other than the traditional barge designs.

One thing to watch in regard to air draft is that clearance is quoted at bridge center. But due to bridge arches, the clearance at the sides of the canals can be less. I've seen some boats with a curved coach roof to match the shape of the bridge arches - looks pretty good. I assume you know about Tom Sommer's guide - a great resource. http://www.eurocanals.com/EuroCanals...hyoftomso.html
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Thanks Brian,

interesting designs. Cat A is a requirement so no traditional canal boats. 15m LOA is also a factor in the North Sea to Black Sea route where it starts to get more complex in a few spots if you are bigger. Yes, I do have all of Tom's guide, excellent reference. We are trying to avoid "limited run" designs as ease of resale is also a factor. We keep coming back to a few Dutch designs. Early days in the hunt but would be nice to buy "off the shelf" rather than waiting for a new build. Been there, not keen to do it again.

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I look forward to hearing about what you find. Frankly, I gave up on a somewhat similar search. I came to the conclusion that I could not get a canal-capable boat that could cross oceans to get back to Australia for a reasonable price. I figured that it was one boat for canals and another boat for coastal cruising. Two boats would end up cheaper. But neither would be trans-ocean: those boats have a much higher price point.

You have set yourself quite a challenge for trans-ocean AND canals AND existing design with a bunch already built. I wish that some of the "Commuter" style boats from the US (and a bygone era) were more sea-worthy as they came closest for me. You might be 10 years ahead of your time in terms of your SOR. But it is the future for sure.

My OA now has the range to cross the Pacific with enlarged tanks and more fuel efficient engines, but I would still need to do more stuff to get to a level of safety that I'd want. Plus, friends and family don't have the time to join me for a crossing with stopovers to enjoy the places along the way, and I am reluctant to take on unknown crew for the trip. Instead, if the indicative freight prices I got at Sanctuary Cove are close to the mark when firm quotes arrive then I'll ship my boat back after the Canadian summer cruise season. Trans-ocean shipping isn't cheap, but for me it will not be frequent.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:46 AM   #33
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Hi Brian,

just returned from looking at an Elling which we thought might match our criteria but it looks like we are coming to the same conclusion as others, an ocean crossing canal adaptable boat is a hard animal to find. Time to re-evaluate our requirements I think.

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Just a thought, probably already thought about, but what about one of the Dashew FPB ocean capable designs, Don. The ones smaller than Windhorse of course, and without the superfluous flybridge. They look like they would be canal and ocean capable.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:48 AM   #35
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The Dashew 64 has a beam over 17 ft - just wont fit into most canals. Not a lot of outdoor space on them either.

Don, I 'll have a better look at the Elling info a bit later. It does look sleek. And yes, when one boat wont do it all then it does come down to what you will be doing on it most of the time, and compromise on what it cant do very well. If you were going to have an extended canal odyssey, why not buy a canal boat for the purpose and re-sell it when you are done, then get the trans-ocean boat afterwards?
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