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04-29-2013, 08:39 AM
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City: Mooloolaba
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Peter,
You forgot the Kimberlies the most supreme wilderness cruising ground in the South Pacific and all the coast line between there and the Whitsundays.
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04-29-2013, 09:48 AM
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City: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Peter B
Then there is the question of whether it is ever wise to uproot yourself at this time of life and leave everything familiar, and everyone you know, family as well, (including grandkids), and retire to a totally new place, where you know no-one, even if it is paradise in some eyes.
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Those are the important considerations. (IMO) Everything else is just "fly stuff". (to quote a famous mariner on this forum)
"The grass is always greener someplace else until you have to cut it."
It's not clear to me as to why you're considering NZ or Oz but given the incredible diversity of this country, it sounds more like "wonder lust" than a real desire to relocate.
Fess up, FF! What's driving this?
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04-29-2013, 09:54 AM
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City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
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Originally Posted by SeaHorse II
Fess up, FF! What's driving this?
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Looks like this is headed toward OTDE.
FF, check out Belize. Not as far away. English is the official language. Legal system based on English common law. Great water and forests.
Where is Belize Bill when we need him?
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04-29-2013, 10:04 AM
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City: Hotel, CA
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Originally Posted by Moonstruck
Where is Belize Bill when we need him?
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Last I remember him posting he was trying to figure a way to raise sunken treasure. Maybe he did and is to rich for us po folks anymore?
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04-29-2013, 11:48 AM
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We spent 20 months in OZ cruising between Southport and got as far as Darwin but stayed mostly around Moreton Bay and Brisbane. It was great to the point that we looked at living there. Lena interviewed for an engineering position even. The deal killer was travel back and forth to the states. From the time we left my moms house, (VT at the time) till we stepped foot back on our boat at Gold Coast City Marina, was 41 hours of non stop travel. At the time we had 3 aging parents. So we said no. OZ did offer a retirement visa which was good for 4 years, if you were over 55, had finical resources, in good health and bought your own medical insurance.
We also looked at NZ. The residency requirements were based on a point system. Education and skills added points. If you invested in the country that also added points. After 45 years of age points were deducted. For us to get our actual residency would have taken about 2 years and investing dollars. Still, NZ and it's people are great. The weather is almost like the PNW.
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04-29-2013, 11:52 AM
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City: Everett, WA
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I'll second Belize. Been there a few times and if I was in the position to retire would seriously consider it. FF could make it there in his Navy launch.
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04-29-2013, 07:06 PM
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City: Sydney
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FF, the result of our salary levels and employee benefits is high prices and living costs. Australia does not build enough dwellings for the increasing population, which = high house prices and rents, chasing scarce accommodations. Can`t speak for NZ on this.
In NZ I had the privilege of an overnight on a small (10 pax) commercial cruise boat on Doubtful Sound in the south west of the south island. Remote, misty, magical, hard to access, well worth it.
I too would have big reservations in senior years of the upheaval of changing countries. Save for "asylum seekers" (some of whom are really economic migrants) OZ is fairly tough on immigration, lots of health checks, and I think financial requirements. Skills can be important, especially if we have a staffing need in a particular area.
Interestingly, we recently had a boatload from Sri Lanka land at Geraldton on the Aust.west coast, saying their real destination was NZ. Authorities had no knowledge of them until they entered port! Most were sent straight back, I`d have considered refueling/re-provisioning and providing charts and a GPS to continue to NZ.
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04-30-2013, 01:11 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
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Originally Posted by Tidahapah
Peter,
You forgot the Kimberlies the most supreme wilderness cruising ground in the South Pacific and all the coast line between there and the Whitsundays.
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Sorry Benn, but it's a fricking big country, and I sort of think of WA, (and so do many Aussies) as being almost another country. I got there once - 7 hr flight - liked it except for the flies....seeing people wearing bee-keeper type hats during the day is not a good sign to me...
Also, bearing in mind the remoteness of the Kimberlies, not many Aussies ever get to see it, let alone live in reachable distance, so I felt it reasonable to leave them out. I might add I would love to get there, and on the bucket list is to do the cruise there on the True North, Coral Princess, or one of the others that go there.
http://kimberleycruises.com/
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04-30-2013, 05:57 AM
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Thanks for the info, we will visit.
The bride needs to find a town with a good weavers group.
"Expensive housing" , is very open.
What would $200K US get in a condo in NZ?
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05-01-2013, 02:42 AM
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City: Sydney
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FF
The bride needs to find a town with a good weavers group.
"Expensive housing" , is very open.What would $200K US get in a condo in NZ?
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You need an NZ response on housing costs there. Average condo (we call a strata title unit) in Aust costs well above that. Our housing prices are high by any standard. I think prices are lower in NZ, but take care in Christchurch, the southern main city, it has been damaged by earthquake activity and parts will not be rebuilt. There are active volcanoes and fault lines in NZ. Pricing may vary greatly between city and provincial areas, it does here.
I am sure there are craft enthusiasts in NZ, especially the South isl. Plenty of wool for weaving.
One thing which escaped mention is the overall good relations between Aust. and NZ. For example, we honor our armed forces on ANZAC (Australian and New Zealand Army Corps) Day, on April 25, which originally commemorated the combined fighting at Gallipoli in Turkey by soldiers of both countries and, at least in Australia, now honors the armed forces of all wars, combat, and currently serving. Gallipoli was a major defeat for us, but it gave rise to the Anzac fighting spirit. An Anzac Day commemoration service is held at Gallipoli each year, attended by both Turks and Aussies, and no doubt New Zealanders.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
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05-01-2013, 05:48 AM
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"Tne thing which escaped mention is the overall good relations between Aust. and NZ.
Good to know , would hate to depart a future war zone for a different war zone.
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05-01-2013, 06:53 AM
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City: Mooloolaba
Vessel Name: Flora
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Just be carefull of the Kiwis they do funny things with sheep.
We still play with girls over our side of the ditch.
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05-01-2013, 06:53 AM
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City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FF
Thanks for the info, we will visit.
The bride needs to find a town with a good weavers group.
"Expensive housing" , is very open.
What would $200K US get in a condo in NZ?
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FF, I've Been out of the country too long to be much help, but thanks to the good old iNet and Gargle, you could maybe get quite a good idea starting here...
Trade Me Property - New Zealand real estate. rentals, houses for sale & more
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05-01-2013, 10:41 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Jacksonville
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FF
"Tne thing which escaped mention is the overall good relations between Aust. and NZ.
Good to know , would hate to depart a future war zone for a different war zone.
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I'm not sure the relationship is much different that the US and Canada.
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05-01-2013, 05:37 PM
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Join Date: May 2010
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For a few hundred thousand dollars more, you can have a converted missile silo home and you get to stay in the U.S.A.
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05-01-2013, 09:52 PM
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry M
I'm not sure the relationship is much different that the US and Canada.
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Yes Larry, there is a lot of truth in that. Although there is a very close relationship between the neighboring countries, both Canucks and Kiwis sometimes get a little frustrated living in the shadows of their loud talking big brothers.
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05-02-2013, 07:23 AM
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Hospitality Officer
City: Pittwater
Vessel Name: Sarawana
Vessel Model: IG 36 Quad Cabin
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Umm,FF, I have no idea what that post refers to.
Still, I'll give it a shot.
Yew= ewe= female sheep, Kwis + sheep= enough said!
'Not just confined to NZ', Florida has sheep fanciers?
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05-02-2013, 11:18 AM
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Guru
City: Campbell River
Vessel Name: Blue Sky
Vessel Model: Nordic Tugs 42 Hull #001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FF
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That's a beautiful boat Fred; too bad they don't have any photos of the completed boat on their site.
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05-02-2013, 04:08 PM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: Circuit Breaker
Vessel Model: 2021..22' Duffy Cuddy cabin
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Posts: 6,691
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
That's a beautiful boat Fred; too bad they don't have any photos of the completed boat on their site.
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I love the lines of that boat but would like to have one in the 38' range.
1rst pic =22m Kelly Archer
2nd pic 38' Halvorsen
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