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Old 03-24-2013, 08:26 AM   #1
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I am redoing the AC-DC wires and panels on a 1981 Grand Banks 49' vessel. All AC and DC are red and black. I found a web site Tinned Marine Wire, The power behind it all with 250' roll of 10-3 AWG wire at $ 319. delivered. Sounds like a good price. Has any one delt with these folks before and have any comments about the quality of their wire. Also after side by side comparison of Blue Seas and Paneltronics, found Blue Seas much better construction.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:31 AM   #2
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I am redoing the AC-DC wires and panels on a 1981 Grand Banks 49' vessel. All AC and DC are red and black. I found a web site Tinned Marine Wire, The power behind it all with 250' roll of 10-3 AWG wire at $ 319. delivered. Sounds like a good price. Has any one delt with these folks before and have any comments about the quality of their wire. Also after side by side comparison of Blue Seas and Paneltronics, found Blue Seas much better construction.
I haven't dealt with that company so I have no opinion but I have dealt with this one:
GenuineDealz.com - Marine Electrical, Boat Wire & Cable, Custom Battery Cables

and have been very pleased with their quality, selection, and prices.

10-3 cable is great for your 120 volt AC wiring but you won't use much for DC circuits.

If you are completely rewiring the boat, the current standard for DC negative is yellow, not black. The reason is, it won't be confused with the AC "hot" conductor which is usually black.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:16 AM   #3
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I ordered my bow thruster cables from tinnedmarinewire.com. Fast response on order shipped next day. Brand name made in USA cable. Well finished lugs. I would purchase from Greg again.
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250' roll of 10-3 AWG wire
Just out of curiosity, will you be needing that much 10-3? For most of your AC wiring I would expect that you would be using 14-3 or perhaps 12-3 in the galley area. 10-3 would be appropriate for 30 amp circuits, and I would not imagine that there are that many of those on your boat.

BTW, as an aside, I love t he GB 49s. I don't know if you have noticed but that's what I keep telling GalaxyGirl to consider.

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You don't want all your ac to be 10-3 the size does not bend or fit well in small boxes that you will terminate into. Beside incoming power, ac unit and stove everything else will not need that size. If you are going to remote area you can use it to trade with others if you buy the big spool. If you are rewiring a boat buy the best crimping tool you can find after a few thousand connection you will be thankful.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:46 PM   #6
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.......... 10-3 would be appropriate for 30 amp circuits, ............
Yes, I should have caught that.
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Thank you for the advice. I am removing the bow and stern 50 amp-120/240VAC and the 50 amp-120VAC Hubbell connectors and installing 2 30 Amp 120VAC SMART PLUGS units both fore and aft. One 30 amp just for Air conditioning and other 30 amp for house power. Finding the proper Automatic Electrical load disconnect units is my problem now. The units that Blue Seas was trying to bring to market appears to be hung up in reliability.It shows in their catalog but not available. Looking for a different route now.
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I am removing the bow and stern 50 amp-120/240VAC and the 50 amp-120VAC Hubbell connectors and installing 2 30 Amp 120VAC SMART PLUGS units both fore and aft.
I did this a couple years ago and even bought a separate "Smart" shore power cord for marina hopping. (My existing cord is fastened to the finger at my slip and takes an act of Congress to remove it.)
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Thank you for the advice. I am removing the bow and stern 50 amp-120/240VAC and the 50 amp-120VAC Hubbell connectors and installing 2 30 Amp 120VAC SMART PLUGS units both fore and aft. One 30 amp just for Air conditioning and other 30 amp for house power. Finding the proper Automatic Electrical load disconnect units is my problem now. The units that Blue Seas was trying to bring to market appears to be hung up in reliability.It shows in their catalog but not available. Looking for a different route now.
Wouldn't a manual switch work and be less complicated and costly?
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Wow!!!!! Can't imagine why anyone would revert to 2-30 amp versus a 50 amp service. I'm leaving the 2-30 and never looking back after upgrading to a 50 amp service.

No experience with the company...but checking their source of wre couldn't be that hard if you call them.

The price seems good...sometimes these internet sellers dump more expensive stuff even cheaper because it's not moving as everyone said...demand for it may be low.

I'd love to hear more about Blue Seas versus Paneltronics as I'm about to repanel myself from 2-30 service to a 50 amp.
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I'd love to hear more about Blue Seas versus Paneltronics as I'm about to repanel myself from 2-30 service to a 50 amp.
I have been very pleased with the quality of Blue Seas. I'd actually use the word "perfect" to describe the BS products that I have used.

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I have been very pleased with the quality of Blue Seas. I'd actually use the word "perfect" to describe the BS products that I have used.

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I agree...my experience with Panetronics has been good as well...was wondering what the OP saw that he didn't like.

Plus BS didn't advertise what I wanted...so if I ordered custom from them would it be possible and reasonable.
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I get my wire from Pacer. US made and really good prices if you have an account. Their products are top notch.

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Another wire source I like:

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Old 03-25-2013, 07:01 AM   #15
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Overkill , low voltage drop is always a goal on DC circuits.

Our solution is to wire the boat with tinned 10-2 for DC, everywhere.

With discount suppliers a 500 ft roll isnt too pricy and will do a simple boat.

Size the CB to the wire , not the load. Item protection is for a fuse or much smaller CB at the user.
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Wow!!!!! Can't imagine why anyone would revert to 2-30 amp versus a 50 amp service. I'm leaving the 2-30 and never looking back after upgrading to a 50 amp service............
There are valid reasons to install or retain a twin 30 amp electrical system on a boat.

Some smaller or older marinas don't have 50 amp service or if they do, it's not at all the slips.

If you don't plan on using the AC system (assuming that it is on one leg and the rest of the boat on the other), you don't have to pay for 50 amp service, just 30 amp.

Cordsets and other accessories are much less expensive for 30 amp even when you account for needing two. They are also lighter in weight and can be stored in a smaller space.

If necessary, you can draw 60 amps on a twin 30 amp system while the maximum for a 50 amp system is 50 amps.


Personally, I wouldn't rip one out to install the other unless I had a compelling reason to do so. The parts alone will cost several hundred dollars.
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I second Daddyo. Pacer Marine manufactures their wire and cable in their own factory in Tampa FL.

There is another well known brand that puts out bids for wire and cable with foreign factories, located, well guess where.

Back when Genuinedealz was still run by it’s founders it was called Best Boat Wire and they sold only Pacer wire and cable. Never dealt with Genuinedealz so I don’t know if that is still true or not.

Interesting fact - I went thru a little over 2000 ft of wire and cable when I rebuilt the little DeFever. Sure glad it was before the price of copper skyrocketed,

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There are valid reasons to install or retain a twin 30 amp electrical system on a boat.

Some smaller or older marinas don't have 50 amp service or if they do, it's not at all the slips.

If you don't plan on using the AC system (assuming that it is on one leg and the rest of the boat on the other), you don't have to pay for 50 amp service, just 30 amp.

Cordsets and other accessories are much less expensive for 30 amp even when you account for needing two. They are also lighter in weight and can be stored in a smaller space.

If necessary, you can draw 60 amps on a twin 30 amp system while the maximum for a 50 amp system is 50 amps.


Personally, I wouldn't rip one out to install the other unless I had a compelling reason to do so. The parts alone will cost several hundred dollars.
You are correct assuming the rarer 50 amp /125v service...unfortunately I didn't make it clear becaus most of the knowlegeable boaters I know would have thought instantly of the much more common 125/250 50 amp service which ibrings 100 amps to the boat...almost 50% more than 2 - 30's.

You can always adapt down but not up if you want to.

Yes 50 125/250 amp set-up is a lot more expensive but when you live aboard or extensively cruise...it's worth it's weight in gold.

So far on my trip...I've actually ecountered few places without 50's and been forced to rent a splitter at extra cost because the only thing available was a 50.

So it makes a lot of sense to me ...a cruiser...and for a lot of 30 amp boats with air conditioners that seem to burn up their cords at an alarming rate.
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Yes. See post #2.
Ron, one advantage for you about Genuinedealz, whom I have had great experience with, if that they are right down the road from you in Brunswick GA.
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