Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 03-25-2013, 10:08 PM   #21
Guru
 
Northern Spy's Avatar
 
City: Powell River, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,672
Absolutely. For fuel efficiency, time savings, and safety. There are areas you certainly don't want to be (think cold death by drowning) during a tide change within a few hours of our marina.
__________________
Advertisement

Northern Spy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 10:09 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Bendit's Avatar
 
City: Auckland
Country: New Zealand
Vessel Name: Pioneer
Vessel Model: Westcoaster 53 converted to pleasure
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 283
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVNoPlans View Post
A fine break right about the Poor Knights?
Yep, Tutukaka works for us
__________________

Bendit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2013, 12:55 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Selah
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 40
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 191
We check them every time and any trip going north of the Narrows is planned to use the tides. In South Puget Sound schedules may dictate running against -- for example taking visitors up to Hope Island for an afternoon. But then, coming out of Swantown the difference isn't great.
When we kept the boat up in Friday Harbor we generally planned around the tide table since our schedules were pretty flexible.
av8r is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2013, 08:32 AM   #24
Guru
 
caltexflanc's Avatar
 
City: North Carolina for now
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Small Incentive
Vessel Model: Boston Whaler 130 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,802
Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
Most of the time I've no particular destination in mind on a day cruise, so currents are largely irrelevant (except for determining turn-around time) and I may be moving 4.5 knots in one direction and 10 knots in the other because of the current. Tide levels can be important too: two hours before low tide we were "pushing mud" (with dredging overdue and chart soundings out of date) occasionally on the Petaluma River last Thursday. Nevertheless, tidal currents in the San Francisco estuary make a whale of a difference on one's forward progress.

And current also make a very big difference in how smooth your trip is on the bays, especially San Pablo and anywhere in or close to "The Slot" on SF Bay or going in/out the Gate. Particularly on a summer afternoon when the wind picks up.
__________________
George

"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
caltexflanc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2013, 11:07 PM   #25
Guru
 
C lectric's Avatar
 
City: Somewhere
Country: , Canada
Vessel Name: Island Pride
Vessel Model: Palmer sedan 32'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,872
Sometimes we do pay attention, sometimes we don't. Generally where we travel locally current is no longer a big factor. It used to be but then we were driven by work and Friday nights, go then or don't go.

However, on our cruises we must pay attention as there are numerous fast current passages and passes which can really mess up your day if you mistime the slacks. Even then sometimes you must buck a contrary current somewhere or travel at night. We love it when we can go with of course but it doesn't always happen.
C lectric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 12:47 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
MVNoPlans's Avatar
 
City: Olympia
Country: USA
Vessel Name: No Plans
Vessel Model: 1965 TollyCraft Voyager
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bendit View Post
Yep, Tutukaka works for us
Funny you mention it. Wifey and I will be there enjoying a summery Christmas this year
MVNoPlans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 02:04 AM   #27
Guru
 
City: Carefree, Arizona
Country: usa
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,372
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVNoPlans View Post
I am curious as to how many of us truly attempt to use the tide and currents to our advantage while cruising?Who does and who doesn't?
I'm curious too. What would cause you to think that this most basic of planning chores is something that we would ignore? Particularly in the PNW.
sunchaser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 11:21 AM   #28
Guru
 
Codger2's Avatar
 
City: San Diego
Country: US
Vessel Name: "Sandpiper"
Vessel Model: 2006 42' Ocean Alexander Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser View Post
I'm curious too. What would cause you to think that this most basic of planning chores is something that we would ignore? Particularly in the PNW.
Great question!
__________________
Codger2

My passion for improving my boat(s) exceeds my desire to constantly cruise them.
Codger2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 12:33 PM   #29
Guru
 
Phil Fill's Avatar
 
City: Everett Wa
Country: US
Vessel Name: Eagle
Vessel Model: Roughwater 58 pilot house
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaHorse II View Post
Great question!

The further north the bigger the tide swings and currents. In the Puget Sound tide swings are 14 ft and further north, Alaska/BC, they get to 20 ft. Also the depth can charge hundred of feet within a boat length. You do not want to cut buoys/corners, so courses, tide and currents are important to check.
Phil Fill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 02:42 PM   #30
Senior Member
 
MVNoPlans's Avatar
 
City: Olympia
Country: USA
Vessel Name: No Plans
Vessel Model: 1965 TollyCraft Voyager
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 100
Thats odd

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser View Post
I'm curious too. What would cause you to think that this most basic of planning chores is something that we would ignore? Particularly in the PNW.
Nowhere did I suggest that anyone on this board ignored "the most basic of planning chores". Read some of the responses received. Some folks plan around the tides and currents, others not so much depending on location. Were you somehow offended by my sincere curiosity?
MVNoPlans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 03:11 PM   #31
Guru
 
dhmeissner's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: North America
Vessel Name: The Promise
Vessel Model: Roughwater 35
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,326
Great thread, thanks for starting it. I remember waking up and coming to the bridge for my watch. We were on the one of the last legs of our passage to Seattle. I thought we might have been having engine problems. We were only making 3 knots headway! We were bucking the ebb. I will be planing our future cruises very carefully.
__________________
Dave & Suzie - Roughwater 35
http://thepromiserwb1029.org/2012/09...the-promise-2/
dhmeissner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 05:07 PM   #32
Guru
 
Codger2's Avatar
 
City: San Diego
Country: US
Vessel Name: "Sandpiper"
Vessel Model: 2006 42' Ocean Alexander Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser View Post
I'm curious too. What would cause you to think that this most basic of planning chores is something that we would ignore? Particularly in the PNW.
I think some on this forum are misinterpreting the intent of your question. I took it to mean "why would the op even ask the question? Of course we would consider the tides! Just as we would check the fuel gage!"
__________________
Codger2

My passion for improving my boat(s) exceeds my desire to constantly cruise them.
Codger2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 05:14 PM   #33
Senior Member
 
MVNoPlans's Avatar
 
City: Olympia
Country: USA
Vessel Name: No Plans
Vessel Model: 1965 TollyCraft Voyager
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 100
Really?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaHorse II View Post
I think some on this forum are misinterpreting the intent of your question. I took it to mean "why would the op even ask the question? Of course we would consider the tides! Just as we would check the fuel gage!"
If you read the responses, our brethren in the Gulf area stated he does not bother with tides as they are miniscule. A gentleman on the ICW states that it doesn't matter as much where he is located as different inlets may run in different directions and he will be bucking one while assisted by another in most journeys. We don't all live in the PNW. Why ask any question on a forum?
MVNoPlans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 06:04 PM   #34
Guru
 
Codger2's Avatar
 
City: San Diego
Country: US
Vessel Name: "Sandpiper"
Vessel Model: 2006 42' Ocean Alexander Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVNoPlans View Post
We don't all live in the PNW. Why ask any question on a forum?
Possibly to inform some PNW boaters that it might be a prudent idea to watch the tides???
__________________
Codger2

My passion for improving my boat(s) exceeds my desire to constantly cruise them.
Codger2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 06:22 PM   #35
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,920
Isn't that what MVNoPlans did in his original post #1...get the discussion started?
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 08:07 PM   #36
Guru
 
caltexflanc's Avatar
 
City: North Carolina for now
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Small Incentive
Vessel Model: Boston Whaler 130 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,802
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVNoPlans View Post
If you read the responses, our brethren in the Gulf area stated he does not bother with tides as they are miniscule. A gentleman on the ICW states that it doesn't matter as much where he is located as different inlets may run in different directions and he will be bucking one while assisted by another in most journeys. We don't all live in the PNW. Why ask any question on a forum?
It matters a lot on the east coast, current when you are using that inlet to transit twixt ocean and inside, or going up and down the Hudson for instance. Tide level DEFINITELY on the ICW as many places are not comfortably passable at low tide. Even the "pushme pullyou" effect on either side of an inlet varies, and if your trip is going to end closer to one side than another, it is a consideration. Personally, I think it is just basic seamanship to know what the water is doing below you and ahead of you and the effect it has or will have on your boat. After all your boat is floating and moving in the water, not on it.
__________________
George

"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
caltexflanc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 08:29 PM   #37
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaHorse II View Post
Possibly to inform some PNW boaters that it might be a prudent idea to watch the tides???
I would hope that the OP asked the question because he honestly wanted to know the answer, not so he could ridicule anyone whose answer didn't agree with his practice.
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 08:37 PM   #38
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
It matters a lot on the east coast, current when you are using that inlet to transit twixt ocean and inside, or going up and down the Hudson for instance. Tide level DEFINITELY on the ICW as many places are not comfortably passable at low tide. Even the "pushme pullyou" effect on either side of an inlet varies, and if your trip is going to end closer to one side than another, it is a consideration. Personally, I think it is just basic seamanship to know what the water is doing below you and ahead of you and the effect it has or will have on your boat. After all your boat is floating and moving in the water, not on it.
Knowing the state of the tide and current is, of course, part of basic seamanship. As I posted above, and apparently only one person picked up on, planning your entire cruise on tides and current is not necessary or practical for some of us. Yes, some of us.

I can't justify hanging around some boring anchorage or marina for six extra hours just to save $2 in fuel by waiting for a favorable current. You can save fuel by going with the tide and your time from point A to point B may be less, but your miles covered per day can go way down requiring more marina stays. Where's the economy in that?
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 08:43 PM   #39
Guru
 
Moonstruck's Avatar
 
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,853
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVNoPlans View Post
If you read the responses, our brethren in the Gulf area stated he does not bother with tides as they are miniscule. A gentleman on the ICW states that it doesn't matter as much where he is located as different inlets may run in different directions and he will be bucking one while assisted by another in most journeys. We don't all live in the PNW. Why ask any question on a forum?
The ICW behind Gulf Shores is pretty docile {except at LuLu's where it sometimes gets rowdy}, but the passes can be pretty tough with opposing tide to wind. Currents run pretty strong around Pensacola Pass, and with wind against the tide Pennsacola Bay can kick the hell out of you.
__________________
Don on Moonstruck
Sabre 42 Hardtop Express & Blackfin 25 CC
When cruising life is simpler, but on a grander scale (author unknown)
http://moonstruckblog.wordpress.com/
Moonstruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2013, 10:03 PM   #40
chc
Senior Member
 
chc's Avatar
 
City: Essex, MD
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Scooter
Vessel Model: 1984 Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 310
We do a lot of gunkholing on the Chesapeake so knowing the tidal staus becomes helpful in keeping the props out of the mud. On our ICW trip, tidal info was critcal in some spots to assure a properly timed passage thru a low area. Weather & tides are something we check before each jaunt.
__________________

__________________
Scooter
1984 Californian 34 LRC
www.scootersvoyage.blogspot.com
chc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012