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Old 03-04-2015, 10:37 PM   #1
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Tablet questions, I am thinking of getting a tablet in the future.I would like to have Microsoft office on it and I use Active captain a lot so it seems like it would be a Windows unit probably 10" screen. But, I don't know which if any of the Windows tablets have a true built in GPS chip capability. I have read that the plug in GPS receivers have not worked well with some Windows tablets. I also plan to have some charting program installed Navionics? or similar that I use would for route planning and a stand by unit at the helm? I am not planning to have it operate on a cell phone contract but would use it off line and have it connected to wifi where available and if need be to my cell phone" hotspot" via bluetooth.
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Hello there, I have several tablets around my house and would recommend the Ramos i10Pro. Its a pure tablet with touch screen, internal GPS as well as an Intel quad core processor. Critically, the tablet accepts a SIM card when wifi isn't an option. having bluetooth, you can add a wireless keyboard and mouse if required.
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Similar to the above I have a Samsung 12.2"

A bit big, but I do watch movies on it now also.

I have the navionics, AC, all work well.
I like the SIM option when Wifi is not available, but it raises the monthly cost int he US
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One neat thing that I neglected to mention is that this tablet is a dual-boot machine. Whenever you cold-boot, ie. start from completely shut down, you have a choice to boot into Windows or Android. You can load all of your Android apps on the one OS, and your Windows programs on the other.

Wxx3 is right on the Samsung too though, they make a good PC.
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Tablet questions, I am thinking of getting a tablet in the future.I would like to have Microsoft office on it and I use Active captain a lot so it seems like it would be a Windows unit probably 10" screen. But, I don't know which if any of the Windows tablets have a true built in GPS chip capability. I have read that the plug in GPS receivers have not worked well with some Windows tablets. I also plan to have some charting program installed Navionics? or similar that I use would for route planning and a stand by unit at the helm? I am not planning to have it operate on a cell phone contract but would use it off line and have it connected to wifi where available and if need be to my cell phone" hotspot" via bluetooth.
Any and all suggestions, experiences, and comments are welcome.
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Apple is supposedly working on a 12-13" iPad which should be coming out this year. The iPads have built in GPS. Navionics works real well on the iPad and the maps are beautiful with the Retina display which I currently have with an iPad Air. There is also ActiveCaptain for the iPad which I have but have felt it needs a little more polish. Microsoft now has MS Office for the iPad if you buy the annual subscription with 5 device installs which I have for my 2 Pcs and the Admirals iMac. The problem I have with MS Office on Apple products is "the cloud". Apple seems to want to store everything on iCloud and Microsoft wants to store stuff on OneDrive. I haven't worked through how to resolve the cloud issue and have not installed Office on my iPad.

Also be aware that there are some great advantages of having USB 3 and Bluetooth 4 with your tablet. Most newer tablets from Apple and Samsung should have both.

I really would like to say something nice about the Surface but just can't get there yet. As far as I know, the latest versions still lack GPS and you would need the external GPS. Microsoft just doesn't get it.

Never previously heard of the Ramos i10.
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Microsoft Surface.

Essentially all the features of a full size PC, in a tablet size. I hook it to a touchscreen monitor (Acer) and store all my charts in PDF files. I can open any chart on the large monitor and move around, zoom in or out, at the touch of a finger.
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Essentially all the features of a full size PC, in a tablet size. I hook it to a touchscreen monitor (Acer) and store all my charts in PDF files. I can open any chart on the large monitor and move around, zoom in or out, at the touch of a finger.

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Tablet questions, I am thinking of getting a tablet in the future.I would like to have Microsoft office on it and I use Active captain a lot so it seems like it would be a Windows unit probably 10" screen. But, I don't know which if any of the Windows tablets have a true built in GPS chip capability. I have read that the plug in GPS receivers have not worked well with some Windows tablets. I also plan to have some charting program installed Navionics? or similar that I use would for route planning and a stand by unit at the helm? I am not planning to have it operate on a cell phone contract but would use it off line and have it connected to wifi where available and if need be to my cell phone" hotspot" via bluetooth.

Any and all suggestions, experiences, and comments are welcome.

Thanks!

My iPad meets all of these parameters and I run your desired programs trouble free. No SIM card installed so connectivity is via wifi hotspot only.

I messed about for a few years with other windows based tablets and my sons gave me the iPad as a Father's Day gift. Glad they did as the iPad just works intuitively for this luddite without any fiddling around.

I'll just be sitting here in my flame proof suit awaiting the replies of the "anybody but Apple" crowd.
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Wifey recently got a Dell 2-in-1 notebook/tablet, with Windows 8.1. We're still experimenting with it.

As far as I know, it didn't come with an internal GPS sensor, but I haven't checked (and that feature wasn't on her shopping list for this one, at the time). It does have Office on it. If this one doesn't have GPS, maybe some of the other units they offer might.

Aside from Win 8 being a little weird (for me, takes getting used to), and I dunno what useful apps might be available... the system seems to work OK.

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I don't understand what the tablet format offers that a cheaper laptop does not unless you are reading books.


I am looking at the next surface because of solid state memory but the detachable keyboard doesn't offer much as I would always keep the keyboard attached.
I just sold my ipad because I found it frustratingly difficult to use the weird keyboard apple insists on using from their iphone. I am a mouse and key board fan and I hated moving the #$%ZXYX blue line around to edit something.
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I don't understand what the tablet format offers that a cheaper laptop does not unless you are reading books.


I am looking at the next surface because of solid state memory but the detachable keyboard doesn't offer much as I would always keep the keyboard attached.
I just sold my ipad because I found it frustratingly difficult to use the weird keyboard apple insists on using from their iphone. I am a mouse and key board fan and I hated moving the #$%ZXYX blue line around to edit something.
I use both a Windows laptop and an iPad in different situations. The Windows laptop is a little long in the tooth now and I plan to replace it soon but when I price out a new Windows laptop with the features I want, they turn out to be more or as expensive as the Apple Macbook Air.

I have no particular love for Apple products and would prefer a Microsoft Windows solution but you just can not find a Windows laptop with GPS, 4G LTE, decent screen resolution and a SSD without paying an outrageous price.

The problem with the Windows PC and laptop world is everything is based on the cheapest price point and not the technical features of the device. In many cases, the manufacturers almost try to hide the complete specifications of their computers. Probably 98% of the customers don't care and just want a cheap laptop. Its almost to the point where I want to give up the PC/Windows environment I have strongly supported and used for almost 30 years now and give Apple all my business. Very sad situation IMHO.
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Thanks for all the replies!

Is the surface tablet availabe with and internal GPS? If not are surface users getting good results with a plug in if so which GPS device?

And, Are windows or Android users able to use the Active Captain website features as available on a windows unit? are they using a third party app, which one?
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bluetooth gps receiver

I use a Lenovo Yoga 11 inch laptop and Win 8.1

It converts to a tablet using a very clever hinge. 11 inches is a great size for both uses. Full function keyboard and mouse. Full function multi-touch touchscreen. Full function multi-touch touchpad. Best of all worlds.

Nuno full function Nav software using downloaded public domain NOAA charts automatically updated so always fully up to date, with Active Captain overlay fully integrated and updated. Any other electronic resource or reference is just a shortcut away. The software plans and saves routes, waypoints, tracks, as well as provides tools to add lines and measure distances.
Windows file folder architecture allows user to organize routes and all other info in folders, so really really easy to use and find your stuff.

Search EBay for bluetooth gps receiver to add to the system and you have a full function plotter.

Computer has a SSD so boot time is around 5 seconds. I use a Rikaline Bluetooth GPS or a Microsoft USB GPS. Both are very accurate and perform flawlessly.

Add a wireless hotspot and buy a Skype phone number plus Skype credits and you can use the system to call any phones and receive calls from any phones. I use Virgin mobile pay-as-you-go data plan activated when we are boating, dormant otherwise. Works great.

Good luck with your search.
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We have both an iPad which we use for navigation and has all the helpful apps and you can use google docs. In addition we have a Galaxy 4 and I like that equally, best thing is go to a place you can play with them and see what you like.
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We use iPads but they do not run MS Office as the OP desires. There are apps that fool an iPad into opening Word and Excel documents at which point you can do some editing and whatnot, but it's not the same as having a full-up Office suite. Unless there is something new I'm not aware of.

Boeing is standardized on Windows. I use my iPad for work when I'm on the road and I load my project Info, interview questions, shooting scripts, etc on it from my work PC laptop. It's fine for referencing the material and making minor changes but it's not the same as using my Boeing laptop. It's a lot lighter, though.

I have been an Apple user at home since the Mac first came out. I bought the third one sold in Seattle for a book project and have stayed with Apple ever since. But Boeing, after flirting with Apple for a bit, settled on PCs so I had to get used to those, too.

If one decides to get an iPad for use on a boat, it's very important to get one with cellular capability. You don't need a cellular account, but the cellular models are the only ones with a stand-alone GPS/GLONAS receiver in them. So you don't need connectivity for the GPS to work anywhere on the planet. With the wifi-only models, you need connectivity for GPS-type positioning.

I don't know if this is still the case with the current iPad Air models, but it was with the earlier models.
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We have a the full suite of Office on the iPad, works fine except it still does not support Google drive which is my cloud service of choice.

Like many I use my laptop, desktop and iPad for a different situations, the iPad is great for navigation and weather apps such as Weathertrack. I can also broadcast my Furuno screens to the ipad, nice for piloting from the flybridge or watching the fish finder from the cockpit.
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Steve I feel your pain I am currently looking for a similar set up. Bayview I too I am a mouse and key board fan. I will have to learn my way around the touch screen.
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The Surface Pro will have a stronger processor, but the Ramos mentioned earlier does indeed have built-in GPS as well as 3G cellular data.

Edit: I use a Lenovo Yoga 13 which is both a touch-screen tablet & clamshell PC. This is excellent as both, but doesn't have your internal GPS. Oh, and it's lighter then a Macbook Air )
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If one decides to get an iPad for use on a boat, it's very important to get one with cellular capability. You don't need a cellular account, but the cellular models are the only ones with a stand-alone GPS/GLONAS receiver in them. So you don't need connectivity for the GPS to work anywhere on the planet. With the wifi-only models, you need connectivity for GPS-type positioning.

I don't know if this is still the case with the current iPad Air models, but it was with the earlier models.
Yep, forgot about that. I take the cellular model for granted. It is possible to get GPS on the wifi models via triangulation but you probably won't have wifi access while cruising. Also, even if you have cellular, if you are in a dead zone, you won't be able to download the maps. That same issue is likely an issue with Android. With a Windows laptop, you should be able to download the maps onto the hard drive prior to cruising and having them when there is no internet connectivity, cellular or wifi.

Really, the best way to go is a chartplotter or dedicated GPS.
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Good point about downloading charts, etc. One needs connectivity for that regardless of what kind of iPad one has. But once the charts are loaded, connectivity is not needed to use them or track one's position. with the cellular iPad.

We use Navimatics on our iPad because it makes searching around on the charts a very fast process with just some finger swipes. Much faster than one can zoom in and out and pan around on the displays on an actual plotter. Navimatics postions us on the charts without connectivity, and it supports Active Captain directly on the charts which is great.

But I agree with Dosan in that for actually navigating our boat, we believe in stand-alone chart plotters with their own GPS antennas. In our case, they are units from Furuno, Echotec, and Standard Horizon. We don't use laptop navigation if for no other reason than I don't want the navigation of our boat in lousy visibility dependent upon anything the Microsoft Kids over in Redmond had anything to do with.
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