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Old 03-28-2013, 02:46 PM   #21
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Given the relatively low cost of new electronics (relative to many other boating costs) we would never buy used electronics. Why buy something that's probably outdated in terms of technology and perhaps doesn't have much useful life left in it? So we have always bought new............
I agree.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:58 PM   #22
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Many times a boater will buy a new or nearly boat and completely refit the electronics package.

Grantedsome of the electronics amy already be a couple year old models even on new boats...but it's because the manufacturers tend to use several year old gear to get great deals from the electronics manuafacturers.

The marine electronics firm I worked for would get brand new equipment off these new boats and either take in trade for a better deal (not often unless a repeat customer and sell outright) or would take them on consignment. Usually they never hit the showroom because people were always coming buy for a great deal and the boss kept them in mind and would call them as soon as they were available for pickup. If they were removed and "installed" by factory trained reps...often the warrantee could be transferred.

So if there is a big boat brokerage like Sea Ray or Bayliner around that sells factory installed packages....ask who does their marine electronics work...it may save you a bundle on relatively new equipment.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:35 PM   #23
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It's easy to get lost in the drive for the latest whiz bang electronics, but the bottom line is buy the best you can afford and learn what you need to know to make it perform at its peak.

That Raymarine Sl70 Pau Hana posted looks like it'd be a sweet deal if it's truly as advertised. For $500, you'd have the fog capability the delta sometimes requires. As mentioned by others, PC or iPad chartplotting apps can certainly fill in the gaps if needed. Inexpensive small screen chartplotters like the Garmin 276C can be had for around $300.

I have the Raymarine SL70 radar and it works quite well in our foggy environment. In the delta, it's more important to have good resolution to 4 miles than 24 miles coverage. That's very difficult to achieve without a VERY tall radar mast. The SL70 will provide the level of resolution needed to ID bouys, bridges, boats, powerlines and shorelines. I can see floating hyacinth and logs as well as my wake. It's a great inexpensive unit.

The most important thing to me about radar and chartplotters is to use them in ALL weather, not just the foggy times. By using the radar on the clear days, you'll learn which settings work best for target resolution and how a nav marker looks compared to an approaching boat. When the weather closes in, you'll be more comfortable in your vessel's capabilities and the unit controls to make that happen.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:49 PM   #24
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Just put some good used electronics up for sale:
Raytheon RL80CRC Color Radar/Plotter 10.4"
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Just put some good used electronics up for sale:
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OP- this is your deal!
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:11 AM   #26
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From E bay , no problem under a grand.

Garmin GMR 18 Digital Signal Processor 4kW Marine Radar New 010-00572-00


Item condition:New
Time left:29 days 22 hours (Apr 28, 2013 01:15:34 AM PDT)

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Old 03-29-2013, 08:51 AM   #27
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From E bay , no problem under a grand.

Garmin GMR 18 Digital Signal Processor 4kW Marine Radar New 010-00572-00

Item condition:New
Time left:29 days 22 hours (Apr 28, 2013 01:15:34 AM PDT)

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If I remember correctly, Garmin won't honor warranty claims on purchases from auction sites unless the seller is an authorized Garmin dealer.

So with no warranty, this may not be a good deal.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:28 AM   #28
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You can actually get it cheaper. Hodges Marine has it for $818

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Old 03-30-2013, 06:59 AM   #29
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The point is there are many radars under a grand , brand new.

No sense in chasing a 30 year old take out , regardless of its low price.
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I hope to re-do the electronics on my boat in the next year or two.

One huge factor would be charts. I'm really tired of paying every year for updated charts that I can download from NOAA for free every week. If I am forced to stick with a proprietary format, I'd probably stay with C-Map only because I'm already set up to use them from my previous boat.

Any company that made a MFD that could use downloaded charts would immediately gain me as a customer.

The second factor would be how it connects to different input devices.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to move one MFD between the upper & lower helm. In theory I could buy one twice as nice if I didn't need to buy 2. That makes me wonder if Ethernet-based radar is really available yet or if that's still just talk.
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I hope to re-do the electronics on my boat in the next year or two.

One huge factor would be charts. I'm really tired of paying every year for updated charts that I can download from NOAA for free every week. If I am forced to stick with a proprietary format, I'd probably stay with C-Map only because I'm already set up to use them from my previous boat.

Any company that made a MFD that could use downloaded charts would immediately gain me as a customer.

The second factor would be how it connects to different input devices.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to move one MFD between the upper & lower helm. In theory I could buy one twice as nice if I didn't need to buy 2. That makes me wonder if Ethernet-based radar is really available yet or if that's still just talk.
Not positive....but I thought the Simrad/Lowrance 3G/4G radat used eiternet cable with their RADAR...if so running an extension cable shouldn't be a big deal.
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The point is there are many radars under a grand , brand new.

No sense in chasing a 30 year old take out , regardless of its low price.
The Garmin units listed above need to be hooked into an existing Garmin network, they do not include a screen or controller
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I hope to re-do the electronics on my boat in the next year or two.

One huge factor would be charts. I'm really tired of paying every year for updated charts that I can download from NOAA for free every week. If I am forced to stick with a proprietary format, I'd probably stay with C-Map only because I'm already set up to use them from my previous boat.

Any company that made a MFD that could use downloaded charts would immediately gain me as a customer.

The second factor would be how it connects to different input devices.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to move one MFD between the upper & lower helm. In theory I could buy one twice as nice if I didn't need to buy 2. That makes me wonder if Ethernet-based radar is really available yet or if that's still just talk.
Unless it was small, slogging an MFD from helm to helm would get kinda tiresome. Many have a VGA out for connection to a monitor, and also some form of wireless remote control. The fancy new ones allow wi fi relay to an iPad.. Simrad and Raymarine are particularly slick in this regard. So you could have a dummy monitor and/or tablet, in the pilot house say, and control the main unit from there.

Navionics, at least, includes free updates for at least a year to their chips. I haven't looked at this feature on other brands, but I suspect most plotter mfrs are offering something similar as you are right, it can be a huge expense, Garmin is the worst on that score.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:22 PM   #34
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.............. I'm really tired of paying every year for updated charts that I can download from NOAA for free every week. ...........
There's little to be gained by buying new electronic charts if the actual charts they are derived from haven't been updated.

I don't know about the other manufacturers but with Garmin, I can see the dates of the actual charts in an update. If they haven't changed, I don't buy the update.

In an ideal world, we would be able to push a button on our plotters and download up to the minute navigational charts over the Internet. I don't see that happening soon though.
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There's little to be gained by buying new electronic charts if the actual charts they are derived from haven't been updated.

I don't know about the other manufacturers but with Garmin, I can see the dates of the actual charts in an update. If they haven't changed, I don't buy the update.

In an ideal world, we would be able to push a button on our plotters and download up to the minute navigational charts over the Internet. I don't see that happening soon though.
My guess is someone is doing it now, given that there is a lot of wi-fi capability being provided and chart companies like Navionics offer up to the minute updates via the internet.
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My guess is someone is doing it now, given that there is a lot of wi-fi capability being provided and chart companies like Navionics offer up to the minute updates via the internet.
It's possible, but if they are, they are keeping it a secret. That would be a good marketing tool, provided the system was at least equal to other systems on the market.
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I'm pretty sure NOAA sends out patches weekly for raster scan....they also talk about updating the charts too...so if you download them...at least some of the info is pretty fresh...

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An example of what I was talking about above, the latest charts show areas near my marina that haven't been updated for thirty years or so. At least for that area, there's no point in updating electronic charts until someone comes out and checks the depths, etc. again.
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There's more than depths involved. Nav aids change position, get added/deleted, obstructions get found or created and so on. Read the LNM any given week and that will give you a good idea.
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