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08-01-2013, 01:51 PM
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Guru
City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
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Day shapes
During the day, vessels at anchor shall exhibit forward where best seen, a ball shape.
I am not sure of the regulation but is this something you need onboard?
SD
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08-01-2013, 02:12 PM
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Guru
City: Vero Beach, FL.
Vessel Name: FIREFLY
Vessel Model: Pilgrim 40
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 918
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never see em,
what about the "steaming day cone"?
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08-01-2013, 02:19 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
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I've both the ball and cone-shaped day shapes on board.
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08-01-2013, 02:26 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Nov 2008
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We started using one this past season. If for nothing else for liability.
There are enough knuckle heads out there so why not? We have one of these and they're less than $20.
PLASTIMO Day Shape-Anchor Ball Folding
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08-01-2013, 02:27 PM
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Guru
City: Vero Beach, FL.
Vessel Name: FIREFLY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
I've both the ball and cone-shaped day shapes on board.
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I have a ball only but never see them used, do you display your day shapes?
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08-01-2013, 02:40 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOTTEDAVIS
I have a ball only but never see them used, do you display your day shapes?
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Haven't displayed the cone when motoring with sails up. That's not required since the boat is under 12 meters in length.
Haven't displayed the ball when anchored due to laziness and forgetfulness. Bad dog!
Never seen them used by others either.
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08-01-2013, 02:45 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry M
We started using one this past season. If for nothing else for liability.
There are enough knuckle heads out there so why not? We have one of these and they're less than $20.
PLASTIMO Day Shape-Anchor Ball Folding
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Exactly...always wondered about the radar reflectors that look exactly the same and if they were ever mistaken for an anchor ball?
Trouble is ....maybe 5 out of a 100 rec boaters know what it is and to look for it.
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08-01-2013, 02:55 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
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Join Date: Sep 2010
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One can appear to be underway while anchored in a current.
During one sailboat race we noted one boat appeared to be moving ahead. Then realized it was anchored. The winds weren't strong enough for the sails to overcome the current.
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08-01-2013, 03:08 PM
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Guru
City: Vallejo, California
Vessel Name: Mahalo Moi
Vessel Model: 1986 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,093
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We use our "anchor ball" when not in a designated anchorage. I've caught a lot of grief from some through the years. However, like Larry, I'm concerned about the liability in this litigious world we live in. I try to minimize my percentage of blame following a lawsuit.
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08-01-2013, 05:19 PM
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Guru
City: Vero Beach, FL.
Vessel Name: FIREFLY
Vessel Model: Pilgrim 40
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 918
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I agree the ball sure looks like a reflector (radar) so I wonder if you have a RR hanging would some see it as a ball shape, so confusing.
I think I will continue with the reflector and paint it black.
Who wants to buy a ball?
Sure wish you guys were around for cocktail hours!!
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08-01-2013, 09:21 PM
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Guru
City: Here
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Somewhere around 20 years ago I was in St.Johns harbour, Antigua when a cruise ship lost steerage and plowed through seven sailboats at anchor. the only one compensated was the one flying a black ball. I have used one ever since.
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08-02-2013, 07:10 AM
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Guru
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Vessel Name: Serenity
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I believe hanging a basket is also a "legal" black ball. At least, it used to be. I still see shrimpers doing it.
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08-02-2013, 07:58 AM
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Guru
City: Vero Beach, FL.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony B
I believe hanging a basket is also a "legal" black ball. At least, it used to be. I still see shrimpers doing it.
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Interesting, I always thought the basket meant they were netting (trawling) and they just leave them basket up all the time. Never knew that was to show as an anchor ball.
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08-02-2013, 08:16 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
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Inverted basket was for fishing( never for anchoring)...not an authorized day shape...ldeleted in Edition D of the Navrules 1999 (if memory serves me correct)...
Does bother me that so many fishing boats leave their dayshapes up all the time.
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08-02-2013, 10:53 AM
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Guru
City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
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The regs I looked at said the ball should be forward.
This would eliminate any confusion with the radar reflectors that are usually placed high and center.
sd
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08-02-2013, 11:58 AM
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Guru
City: Vero Beach, FL.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skipperdude
The regs I looked at said the ball should be forward.
This would eliminate any confusion with the radar reflectors that are usually placed high and center.
sd
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I have only one mast with a halyard on each side, so no forward, they would be side by side or over/under each other.
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08-02-2013, 12:05 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
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over and under will work!
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08-02-2013, 12:05 PM
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Guru
City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOTTEDAVIS
I have only one mast with a halyard on each side, so no forward, they would be side by side or over/under each other.
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Sorry that is not good enough.
You will have to reconfigure your vessel.
SD
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08-02-2013, 05:07 PM
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Guru
City: Vero Beach, FL.
Vessel Name: FIREFLY
Vessel Model: Pilgrim 40
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At boat now adding a formast
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08-02-2013, 05:55 PM
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Senior Member
City: Benicia CA
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Posts: 499
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I've seen them in the bow flagpole socket.
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