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Old 10-28-2017, 01:13 AM   #1
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Navionics acquired by Garmin

https://www.navionics.com/usa/blog/p...m_content=post

I wonder what this means in the medium to long term for Navionics customers.

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Old 10-28-2017, 01:27 AM   #2
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I wonder what this means in the medium to long term for Navionics customers.

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That one could be very interesting. I have far greater reservations about it than I did the Garmin acquisition of AC. I see many others likely to make decisions to plan moves away from Navionics as quickly as possible. I just don't see Furuno continuing to use a Garmin product.
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Old 10-28-2017, 01:35 AM   #3
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A rhetorical question, not an opinion:

Are Garmin's moves all designed simply to improve their product or are some of them predatory and designed to take away from their competitors' offerings?
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Very good and valid question BandB.

I'd like to think these decisions are motivated by the greater good of the customer but reality has me tending to lean on the cynical side.
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Very good and valid question BandB.

I'd like to think these decisions are motivated by the greater good of the customer but reality has me tending to lean on the cynical side.
Well, as a Garmin customer I like it. As a Furuno customer I don't.
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Very good and valid question BandB.

I'd like to think these decisions are motivated by the greater good of the customer but reality has me tending to lean on the cynical side.
It's clearly profit motivated. Garmin is not a non profit corp. And it often doesn't have the best ending for the consumer.

This is not the first time they've bought out the competition.

And, overall, I'm a great Garmin fan, but have seen some of their policies and pricing go nuts.
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A rhetorical question, not an opinion:

Are Garmin's moves all designed simply to improve their product or are some of them predatory and designed to take away from their competitors' offerings?
Sounds like Garmin thoughts are “If you can’t beat em buy em”. With Navionics on my IPhone and Nobeltec on my IPad the Garmin gathers dust. And Garmin has a great product but these other guys are / will be eating their lunch.
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Who does that leave as independent (not tied to a HW vendor) suppliers of US charts? NOAA and C-Map and... Is that it?
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Who does that leave as independent (not tied to a HW vendor) suppliers of US charts? NOAA and C-Map and... Is that it?


C-Map is owned by Navico, as of last year. http://www.marinebusiness.com.au/new...ition-of-c-map.

Correction - they are owned by the same people.
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Navionics charting is superior to Garmin. They update frequently and provide better details. The crowd sourced Sonar charts provide better information than non-updated products. I run Garmin Blue Charts and Navionics on an iPad. The Navionics app lets you select Government, Navionics or Sonar Charts. It has auto routing that works great. Its my OPINION that folks that enjoy Garmin like the looks and the easy interface. The Garmin chart data doesn't stand up to Navionics or even updated NOAA charts. IMHO.
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Personally, I think it is great. Anytime advances in charting and related technologies occur it seems a result from trying to maintain or increase market share. Raymarine's recent tie in with 1000s of Navy vessels can only but create new and user friendly designs.

Any chance Garmin will enter laptop based charting with Navionics? Maybe not as more money involved from mixing it up in the hard wired units sector. They're close though.
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If Garmin enhances Navionics great! However I think that there is a lot more $$$$$ in selling Garmin products then selling Navionics. I hope that they didnít buy them to marginalize and then sunset the product. I wonder if the FTC has any interest in this.
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I’m a Garmin and since I go to the Bahamas often their charts are the best. I have navionics on my iPad but the Garmin is Best. I have no idea why Garmin bought them but certainly Garmin is big and just got bigger.
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Garmin got into the marine mapping business when their third party marine map vendor decided to drop that line of business about 11-12 years ago. I suspect Garmin realizes Navionics is a better map product and wants to improve the maps in their products with Navionics. Seems like a win-win to me.
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Now you just ruined the conspiracy theory.
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Garmin got into the marine mapping business when their third party marine map vendor decided to drop that line of business about 11-12 years ago. I suspect Garmin realizes Navionics is a better map product and wants to improve the maps in their products with Navionics. Seems like a win-win to me.
Doesn't seem like a win-win if I'm Furuno. They were actually the first with Active Captain integration and they use Navionics widely.
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A rhetorical question, not an opinion:

Are Garmin's moves all designed simply to improve their product or are some of them predatory and designed to take away from their competitors' offerings?
Both. They are good for Garmin customers by presumably improving their cartography. But it also puts the hurt on Garmin's competitors but cutting off (presumably) an independent source of cartography.

I don't see this as much different from Navico buying C-Map.

Collectively, I think it's all bad for consumers. Independent and competing cartography vendors keeps them all on their toes. And electronics vendors that can use any cartography are forced to compete based on their electronics, not their monopoly of a particular cartography.
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I'm disappointed. Navionics blows away Garmin.

I've downloaded the Garmin app a few times and gave always deleted it. Might work great for the intercoastal waterway, but sucked for the Georgia Strait.

Pretty sure Garmin will make Navionics obsolete, and then in typical fashion, install built in obsolescence.

Damn it.
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Old 10-29-2017, 01:32 AM   #20
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I'm disappointed. Navionics blows away Garmin.

I've downloaded the Garmin app a few times and gave always deleted it. Might work great for the intercoastal waterway, but sucked for the Georgia Strait.

Pretty sure Garmin will make Navionics obsolete, and then in typical fashion, install built in obsolescence.

Damn it.
I've found huge differences by location. I've found Garmin superior to all the others when it comes in inland rivers.
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