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Old 12-27-2013, 07:59 AM   #21
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Re: doing it all...

It just can't. And a chartplotter can't do the things the Companion will do. We're sort of at the point, I think, where we don't need yet another screen showing charts and your position. I think there's a need for additional knowledge and help while underway.

For example:

1. A display showing where your friends are located and where they're moving to shouldn't be cluttering up your navigation screen.


All of those things are best done on a separate display. I personally think that a phone is the perfect platform for the capability especially since there are voice alerts built in so as to not take your attention until it's really needed.
I'm going to disagree on this point. I don't want another device I have to reference for info. A cell phone dangling from the instrument panel and a tablet some how attached to a suction cup on the helm with a way too dim screen just doesn't appeal to me. Why not just incorporate all this info into the plotter as layers that can be turned on and off as needed.
Most plotters already have this in the form of AIS and radar overlay.

Imagine your plotter with the ability to display weather radar data from weather bug oriented at your position, active capt data, and who knows what else as layers. True Internet connectivity is the next big thing for plotters. No more dangling cell phones or hard to read tablets. Maybe they'll sell plotters with dual displays-one computer 2 displays. Aircraft have this.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:48 AM   #22
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Got a new Nexus 7 32gb for Xmas. Any suggestions/recommendations regarding navigation software? Looked at a few potentials but all seem to have their critics. Anyone using a new (2013) Nexus 7 for navigation? From what I can gather, Navionics only supports last years model. There are a few inexpensive apps, but, I'm just a little skeptical about just how accurate they might be.
Thanks for your input.

We've been experimenting with Jeppeson's plan2nav, which uses C-Map vector charts. Free app, cheap charts, so far works well. And as others have said, Active Captain integrates in a way that makes all that info available offline.

We also started experimenting with MX mariner, which uses NOAA raster charts here in the US. Cheap app, free charts, so far works well... and I e-mailed with the developer a few months ago about more frequent in-app chart updates (incorporating Notices to Mariners) and that's something he said he was working on.

(I also e-mailed with the Marine Navigator app developer about the same issue; his recommendation was just to use LNMs... which sort-of wasn't my point.)

Some have mentioned MaxSea on the iPad. Last I contacted MaxSea in France, they had no Android option... and a quick check on the Play store just now didn't turn one up. If they get a round tuit, that would certainly be a good choice for us, given that our plotter uses the MaxSea engine, and given that we also have Time Zero on both boat laptop and home desktop computer mostly for planning purposes. Add a GPS source, E Voila! Yet another backup...

The Nobeltec Time Zero thing is probably bound to be MaxSea. Also not on the Play store (at least that I can find). Probably reinforces that there's no Android version of MaxSea available. (Yet?)

Other useful apps have been about radar (Radar Now) and other weather (Marine Weather by Bluefin), tides, local weather (local TV stations) as well as Weather Underground, Accuweather, Weather Channel, etc.

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Old 12-27-2013, 09:49 AM   #23
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I'm going to disagree on this point. I don't want another device I have to reference for info.
Everything available in the Companion is available to any chartplotter application or hardware. Even the server-assisted parts will have API's allowing all of the functionality to be anywhere.

But I doubt you'll see many of the companion functions in many chartplotters. Some things like point-of-interest markers should be in chartplotters because you navigate to them. Showing where your friends are located will probably end up in some chartplotters too. But other capabilities take too much processing.

The typical helm today doesn't have a single display. But most of the displays are showing pretty much the same thing once they're showing more than just instrument data. I think there's a need to have an electronic assistant next to you at the helm providing many of the things that a real assistant would provide if they were constantly looking ahead for you. There are some incredible advantages this can provide. Give it through 2014 to unfold - I'd love to have this exact same conversation at the end of next year.
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... Why not just incorporate all this info into the plotter as layers that can be turned on and off as needed.
Most plotters already have this in the form of AIS and radar overlay.

Imagine your plotter with the ability to display weather radar data from weather bug oriented at your position, active capt data, and who knows what else as layers. True Internet connectivity is the next big thing for plotters. No more dangling cell phones or hard to read tablets. Maybe they'll sell plotters with dual displays-one computer 2 displays. Aircraft have this.

I tend to agree that's a likely path going forward. A difficulty is backwards compatibility.

When we got our fairly new plotter (and it's already almost obsolete, of course) we gained the ability to overlay AIS and weather. Nice. But in order to overlay radar, we'd have had to replace a perfectly functioning -- but older -- radar. Big bucks.

And then along comes wireless and so forth. Yes, I can get lots of stuff off the 'net... but can't easily get most of it to that existing plotter...

And I can't see folks replacing pretty good stuff every 2 years or so...

Which means I think that there's a niche for acquiring and displaying stuff by other means -- devices or whatever -- for part of the market, even if folks buying new equipment today aren't almost necessarily forced to deal with it as best they can.

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Old 12-27-2013, 10:13 AM   #25
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We also started experimenting with MX mariner...

Some have mentioned MaxSea on the iPad...

The Nobeltec Time Zero thing is probably bound to be MaxSea...
I should have added info about this. I'm in direct contact with all of the companies.

MX Mariner works well under Android today and provides charts for US/UK/NZ/Brazil. The missing charts for this audience is probably the Caribbean and Canada along with the inland rivers of the US. They've promised ActiveCaptain support and I've had numerous discussions with the developer over the last 3 years.

MaxSea/Nobeltec's iPad app is pretty much the same software. Both applications under Windows support ActiveCaptain today. Today their iOS apps only support the iPad and there is no Android support.

Jeppesen Plan2Nav is available for Android today with worldwide chart support. It's the app that I use on my Android devices for navigation and it has ActiveCaptain support today.

The absolute best way to get support for a capability or platform like Android is to get a bunch of people together and have them individually write to the developer and tell them what they want. This is a small market. Getting 50 emails makes a big difference. Almost all of these developers are not in boats (there are exceptions) and don't use any of this stuff for real themselves. They don't really know what's needed and rely on feedback from you.

The real reason there is much less Android support than iOS is that Android users purchase many fewer apps than iOS users (this is well known in all application areas). And purchase is the wrong word because free apps are downloaded much less under Android too. I have 3 apps in both Google Play and the iTunes store. Although there are more Android devices than iOS devices today, iOS downloads happen 300% - 500% more than Android downloads for my own apps. Few vertical market Android developers make a good income. I'm working with multiple single-guy iOS app developers who bring in $10,000 - $20,000 per month in iOS sales. THAT is the reason there are fewer Android apps for boating - it's very hard and rare to make money developing for Android. So if you have Android devices, start downloading the apps you like and buy them. And get every other boater with Android devices to do the same. Android owners slit their own throats by not paying for quality apps.
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I don't have an i-pad, but this is the OS's I found on their site that they support.

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What are the operating systems compatible with MaxSea TimeZero?
MaxSea TimeZero is compatible with Windows 8 (only version 2), Windows 7, Windows XP and Windows Vista certified computers.
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I'm also pretty sure I'm going to be kicking myself in the rear for ever starting this thread.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:16 PM   #28
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I am very pleased with the Active Captain Companion. It is a great compliment to
My Chart plotter. Chart plotter is for operational now use and the AC assists with looking a little ahead of the picture.
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:48 PM   #29
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This is exactly my thoughts, downloaded for iPhone, but held off on iPad:
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Agreed. there is much potential and am looking forward to the updates. i am one of the 15000, in fact i have it on 3 devices. I have never used while underway for voice alerts of danger. So if that is the primary purpose then i am not using as you intended.

ActiveCaptain (website) is a great planning tool, which is how i attempted to use companion. Honestly, it is not a good tool for planning or to see what is nearby. Perhaps it would work better (for that purpose) somewhere that 'things' weren't so close together.

I am not trying to offend you in anyway. I am sorry if i did. I am just trying to be honest about the software i use.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:38 PM   #30
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I use Nuti-charts and Active Captain Companion as back-up to my Garmin 3210. I also have a few different tide apps also. There is a ton of APPS out there. I cruise the ICW but my tablet apps are for back-up. I still use paper charts also; contrary to what has been in the boating rags lately.

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I should have added info about this. I'm in direct contact with all of the companies.

MX Mariner works well under Android today and provides charts for US/UK/NZ/Brazil. The missing charts for this audience is probably the Caribbean and Canada along with the inland rivers of the US. They've promised ActiveCaptain support and I've had numerous discussions with the developer over the last 3 years.

MaxSea/Nobeltec's iPad app is pretty much the same software. Both applications under Windows support ActiveCaptain today. Today their iOS apps only support the iPad and there is no Android support.

Jeppesen Plan2Nav is available for Android today with worldwide chart support. It's the app that I use on my Android devices for navigation and it has ActiveCaptain support today.

The absolute best way to get support for a capability or platform like Android is to get a bunch of people together and have them individually write to the developer and tell them what they want. This is a small market. Getting 50 emails makes a big difference. Almost all of these developers are not in boats (there are exceptions) and don't use any of this stuff for real themselves. They don't really know what's needed and rely on feedback from you.

The real reason there is much less Android support than iOS is that Android users purchase many fewer apps than iOS users (this is well known in all application areas). And purchase is the wrong word because free apps are downloaded much less under Android too. I have 3 apps in both Google Play and the iTunes store. Although there are more Android devices than iOS devices today, iOS downloads happen 300% - 500% more than Android downloads for my own apps. Few vertical market Android developers make a good income. I'm working with multiple single-guy iOS app developers who bring in $10,000 - $20,000 per month in iOS sales. THAT is the reason there are fewer Android apps for boating - it's very hard and rare to make money developing for Android. So if you have Android devices, start downloading the apps you like and buy them. And get every other boater with Android devices to do the same. Android owners slit their own throats by not paying for quality apps.
Thanks so much for this detailed response. Being an android person, I have wondered about this for a while.

Knowing my friends with Apples, I think they have more money to begin with and spend accordingly.

I use both mx mariner and navionics on my phone. Weirdly, the navionics app on my phone is far more detailed than the navionics software on my chart plotter.
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Knowing my friends with Apples, I think they have more money to begin with and spend accordingly.
It's something more than that. The exact same phenomenon happens for free apps. And again, there are more Android devices.

My own DragQueen free app is a good example - the iOS and Android versions were released within two weeks of each other almost 2 years ago so the data is pretty stable now.

iOS downloads - 25,000+
Android downloads - 7,000+

There's more competition for other anchor alarms in iOS too.

My other two apps are similar and developer friends of mine consistently experience the exact same thing.

If you were a developer and had to pick a single platform, which one would you pick first (if not only)? Until Android users start downloading, buying, and using apps a lot more, the number and quality of apps will not catch up to iOS because vertical market developers can't make enough money writing the apps for Android.
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Wow. Drag Queen is yours, it's great.
Thank you.

Could it be that they're many versions of android that while the same; aren't?
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Got a new Nexus 7 32gb for Xmas. Any suggestions/recommendations regarding navigation software? Looked at a few potentials but all seem to have their critics. Anyone using a new (2013) Nexus 7 for navigation? From what I can gather, Navionics only supports last years model. There are a few inexpensive apps, but, I'm just a little skeptical about just how accurate they might be.
Thanks for your input.
To actually answer the original question in this thread...

I have Navionics US and Canada running on my 2013 Nexus 7. In fact I'm running the phone version, not the tablet version, since I bought it originally for my Nexus 4. It works fine, except that the info pages won't rotate into landscape mode (Navionics claim they are working on this). Hard to beat for the price IMO.
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Wow. Drag Queen is yours, it's great.
Thanks. DragKing is coming to the Companion (also free) next - perhaps in 2014 but it might slip. It'll provide a graphic display of the anchor location/swing and provide remote capabilities so you can monitor your anchor when off the boat (with internet access).

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Could it be that they're many versions of android that while the same; aren't?
This is a common conversation between developers - the "why" of why we think this happens. The basic consensus is that absolutely everyone with an iPhone knows exactly how to find, download, and use apps. Apple has done a great job of making the experience easy for anyone. The whole, "There's an app for that" commercial has gotten into the soul of every iOS owner and everyone knows that saying.

Android users, on the other hand, often purchase their phones to be a phone and contact list. Tablets are different but there are many fewer of them with the iPad still dominating that market. While Droid users know their phones can run apps, they buy the phone mainly as a phone. I've grabbed other boater's Droids to find no added apps. You'll never find that with an iPhone. A good percentage of Droid users don't know how to add apps. Every iPhone user knows how to use the Apple App Store.
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Thanks. That's the kind of input I was hoping for.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. It doesn't help that Google keeps changing the names of things and where to get stuff. Probably the biggest problem right there.
Even I had tunes that I corks not figure where to get something. Also, the Motorola droid, um, Google again, my first android phone, could hardly run any apps correctly.
I've never hated a phone so much. I was at the Verizon store waiting for it to open on the first day I could change.

Samsung is truly a competitor worthy of competing with Apple.
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