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Old 05-19-2014, 12:31 AM   #101
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Old 05-19-2014, 01:09 AM   #102
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Funny thread; I showed it to Ann.
"So you are arguing both with the lower helm only crowd and the flying bridge only crowd?"
Answer: "Yes! Because in the ideal world, they are both wrong!"
"Well isn't that a little too obvious?"

One thing that I note about the lower helm only crowd: the focus seems to be more on boating as a means to get from Point A to Point B, rather than on enjoying and observing the surroundings on the water and the out of doors. As I said, we are all on the water for different reasons.
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I didn't interpret the question as one or the other but simply was a lower helm a requirement. The assumption I made based on the initial post was that the upper helm was a given. When we insist on a lower helm, it's in addition to the upper helm. Now if the boat doesn't have a bridge then that question never arises and we have no thread.
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Old 05-19-2014, 01:15 AM   #103
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One thing that I note about the lower helm only crowd: the focus seems to be more on boating as a means to get from Point A to Point B, rather than on enjoying and observing the surroundings on the water and the out of doors. As I said, we are all on the water for different reasons.

Mark, your wife being all bundled up was the giveaway. Still missing 70% of the view. I spent the first half of my life messing around out there on sail boats and skiffs and ski boats. Always thought it kind of boring in and of itself. Then later in life came back and did it all on Fb equipped boats... whole 'nother world, on the rivers and Delta. If you ever get out the Gate and do ocean cruising, then much, much less of an issue for sure; needle definitely swings in favor of lower CG and helm.
Trust me. Given the right boat, the view is great even without a flying bridge.

Entering Petaluma River (railroad swing bridge in left foreground, State Highway 37 bridge ahead, with Mahalo Moi and FlyWright leading the way):



First sister and friend, with Mare Island Bridge in background:



Second son with his sweetheart looking at one of western Carquinez's bridges:



Perla and her friend, with the two western Carquinez's bridges (truss and suspension) in background.

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Old 05-19-2014, 06:34 AM   #104
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I have a choice and I am probably removing my upper helm. George made a comment about Gr=eorgia fly's in Jersey we have those killer Green Heads. They are around for most of the late summer early Fall. You can't kill them hit them knock them out they still get up to bite you again and again until you squash them. They are attracted to carbon dioxide so once you start your engines they cover the entire boat looking for fresh blood and skin.
Nasty suckers....
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:38 AM   #105
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There are only a few ways (locations aboard while cruising/docking/anchoring... etc) to pilot a pleasure-craft sized (25' to 75'), trawler type power boat.

1. Fly bridge
2. Salon
3. Raised pilot house
4. Remotes – from anywhere aboard

Each of these locations has their own plusses and minuses and each can be outfitted in different ways to gain capabilities as well as comforts/enjoyments.

Just because I choose flying bridge as my favorite location to pilot from makes it no better than salon or pilot house locations to those who prefer those types of piloting setups to utilize most often.

As I've mentioned in previous posts... I not only prefer operating from fly bridge but I also feel it is wise and very helpful to also have completely equipped salon pilot station that serve many useful purposes.

Way I see it: MAIN Thing Here - - > Is that we on TF who are debating from whence/where to pilot our pleasure boats simply means that we USE our crafts and are NOT tied-up dock queen go-nowhere boat owners. For that delightful reason... I have full admiration and applause for any piloting location that any person chooses to prefer!

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Old 05-19-2014, 06:53 AM   #106
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I have a choice and I am probably removing my upper helm. George made a comment about Gr=eorgia fly's in Jersey we have those killer Green Heads. They are around for most of the late summer early Fall. You can't kill them hit them knock them out they still get up to bite you again and again until you squash them. They are attracted to carbon dioxide so once you start your engines they cover the entire boat looking for fresh blood and skin.
Nasty suckers....
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In 1950's, during my pre teens, aboard boat on LI NY south shore: One of my rituals was killing those nasty buggers by up to the hundreds when they would at times swarm into the cabin of our then rather small pleasure boat - 1948 23' Chris Craft Express. Hundreds of times aboard that little craft for long weekends and up to four (4) week full-on summer cruises on the New England coast will always remain as one of my favorite boat-time memories! Pop had that great little floater well outfitted to comfortably accommodate parents and us three young boys. Those were great family times!!!
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:56 AM   #107
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We also have those nasty no see um's or sand flies they are so thick that you can actually breath them in when inhaling! Jersey is a great cruising area but the bugs can make life miserable!
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Those are great pictures above why don't I see anyone in the fly bridge?
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Old 05-19-2014, 07:23 AM   #109
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There are only a few ways (locations aboard while cruising/docking/anchoring... etc) to pilot a pleasure-craft sized (25' to 75'), trawler type power boat.

1. Fly bridge
2. Salon
3. Raised pilot house
4. Remotes Ė from anywhere aboard
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A few of us have a fifth location - From the cockpit. I occasionally use this while docking.
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I almost bought a Beneteau Evasion 32 Motor Sailor. The vessel was in great shape but it was just too far away. I started by looking at motor sailors then found a great deal on a 36' Gulfstar.
I needed to replace my highly customized Mainship 40SB. There is only one helm on that boat up top under the hardtop.
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Old 05-19-2014, 08:38 AM   #111
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:20 PM   #112
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I officially own the 36 Gulfstar as of noon today. I took my wife to finally see it after we closed. We both love the raised salon/ lower helm. I'm about 90% sure another member on this board is going to end up with the upper helm complete with steering, throttles, cab;es, gauges, cushions etc. I need the space for my electronics, solar panels both power and hot water, AIR-X wind generator, the life raft cradle and case and the KVH domes. I'm thinking about putting one of those multi-level platforms for the Radar, Flir, KVH M-3, TracPhone 252, FB-150, steaming and anchor lighting.
It won't be your average looking 36 Gulfstar when I'm done with it.
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I officially own the 36 Gulfstar as of noon today. I took my wife to finally see it after we closed. We both love the raised salon/ lower helm. I'm about 90% sure another member on this board is going to end up with the upper helm complete with steering, throttles, cab;es, gauges, cushions etc. I need the space for my electronics, solar panels both power and hot water, AIR-X wind generator, the life raft cradle and case and the KVH domes. I'm thinking about putting one of those multi-level platforms for the Radar, Flir, KVH M-3, TracPhone 252, FB-150, steaming and anchor lighting.

It won't be your average looking 36 Gulfstar when I'm done with it.

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We use both up and down, weather nice up, Too cold or hot down , great view from both.
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Rear view better up, the lower requires that we us back up camera and or look out upper door / lower door.
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I officially own the 36 Gulfstar as of noon today. I took my wife to finally see it after we closed. We both love the raised salon/ lower helm. I'm about 90% sure another member on this board is going to end up with the upper helm complete with steering, throttles, cab;es, gauges, cushions etc. I need the space for my electronics, solar panels both power and hot water, AIR-X wind generator, the life raft cradle and case and the KVH domes. I'm thinking about putting one of those multi-level platforms for the Radar, Flir, KVH M-3, TracPhone 252, FB-150, steaming and anchor lighting.
It won't be your average looking 36 Gulfstar when I'm done with it.
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Gulfstar 36, asking price $39,900 (asking, not what was offered). Value added in the above electonics, solar panels, AIR-X, etc. $40,000. Am I missing something here? Oh yea, it won't look like any other Gulfstar 36 or be valued like one either.
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I officially own the 36 Gulfstar as of noon today. I took my wife to finally see it after we closed. We both love the raised salon/ lower helm. I'm about 90% sure another member on this board is going to end up with the upper helm complete with steering, throttles, cab;es, gauges, cushions etc. I need the space for my electronics, solar panels both power and hot water, AIR-X wind generator, the life raft cradle and case and the KVH domes. I'm thinking about putting one of those multi-level platforms for the Radar, Flir, KVH M-3, TracPhone 252, FB-150, steaming and anchor lighting.
It won't be your average looking 36 Gulfstar when I'm done with it.
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Congrats, Bill! She'll look like a porcupine when you're done adding all those systems and antennae!

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Gulfstar 36, asking price $39,900 (asking, not what was offered). Value added in the above electonics, solar panels, AIR-X, etc. $40,000. Am I missing something here? Oh yea, it won't look like any other Gulfstar 36 or be valued like one either.
Barpilot, Bill is very technology-driven...an expert in his field. I bet he'd be the first to say his boat is a platform for playing with his systems. If he couldn't install all the gear, it wouldn't be his boat.
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He enjoys gizmo's, I know how he feels.
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Barpilot, Bill is very technology-driven...an expert in his field. I bet he'd be the first to say his boat is a platform for playing with his systems. If he couldn't install all the gear, it wouldn't be his boat.
1st I offered $17k and that was the final selling price.
The sea trial and engines even though they are old performed very well. The sea trial lasted 2 hours.
With that being said, I currently have numerous systems that I bought at highly discounted prices. I didn't pay even 30% of the asking price for slightly used or refurbished KVH M3, Skipper-150, TracPhone 252, Wave WiFi's new latest EC N MIMO product (yet to be commercially launched), a VZW LTE USB modem mated to a Cradlepoint router inside a KVH M3 dummy dome, 800 watts of Solar left over from a previous project, DEKA Unisys1 AGM 105AH (8) AGM's that I got for almost free these are brand new. This is only a partial list of upgrades.
Not everyone knows me on this board a few do. This will be a very modern updated Gulfstar and no system will be left untouched. I don't care about the resale value of my boats. We all should know they are money pits but I enjoy updating them. I will be upgrading the sanitation system, waste treatment MSD 1 and III, AC & DC electrical, entertainment systems, FLIR/ Video, solar and alternative charging sources, DC wiring for pure sine wave inverter and one of my favorites LED conversions.

Al thanks for your comments above you do know me and have for years.
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Barpilot, Bill is very technology-driven...an expert in his field. I bet he'd be the first to say his boat is a platform for playing with his systems. If he couldn't install all the gear, it wouldn't be his boat.
Like all customizations the value is in the enjoyment and use that comes to the owner. It never returns the cost in increased resale value. You don't customize to resell. You do that to own and to have what you own as near your ideal as possible.

Thats why people find old cars in junk yards and spend ten's and ten's of thousands restoring them.
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