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Old 12-09-2010, 08:04 AM   #61
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RE: Let us talk about Navigation Lights and Anchor Lights

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** USCG compliant is good.* Another thing to consider is how easy will it be for you or anyone else to change their bulb/LED way up there.* It should be pretty straight forward if your mast is in a tabernacle whereby you can readily lower the mast and service the equipment on same but it could be a double barreled bugger if one has to de-mast.* Possibly another plus for installing a USCG approved LED (long life).
** I have a friend who hoists a kerosene lantern to his masthead when anchoring.* Approved?** Who knows but interesting none-the-less.
** A question somewhat related.* Does anyone use a day marker when anchored...
http://www.safety-marine.co.uk/Horns....htm?P4103-S19-
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:14 AM   #62
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The base of our mast is attached to a large stainless steel base plate that is hinged. Very easy to lower. In fact, I have to lower it to get under the roof of my slip! That is kind of a pain. As I was laying in bed last night though the idea occurred to me that I can and am going to rig up an "extension" of the steel cable that holds the mast forward with a quick release clip on it. This way, instead of fully lowering it, I can lower it just a little past vertical to clear the roof without having to manually hold the mast up.
I am going to order the replacement LED bulb though for the light that they make as well.

RE: day marker for anchoring.....hmmm...closest thing I guess I have to an anchoring day marker would be my margarita/frozen daiquiri machine being out on the bridge making it's happy concoctions!! I am not sure said machine is accepted by the USCG as a day marker though.

I don't really understand the point of a day marker for anchoring. I've honestly never seen anyone use one. It's kind of obvious if a boat is anchored, or at least it seems that it is to me....
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:40 AM   #63
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Windsong you could use a two way toggle switch using the one wire to power both lights separately.* That is what I use for the anchor light and forward light.

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:06 AM   #64
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Windsong you could use a two way toggle switch using the one wire to power both lights separately.That is what I use for the anchor light and forward light.



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yeah but then I would have to also move the stern light which would involve routing the wiring up through the hand rail stanchion and mounting just under the hand rail which would require removing and drilling through the stanchion....doesn't seem worth the hassle when I can just go with an all around mast light.

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:31 AM   #65
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** I have a friend who hoists a kerosene lantern to his masthead when anchoring.* Approved?** Who knows but interesting none-the-less.
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We usually use a kerosene lantern instead of the electric anchor light.* We have a lantern that was designed for this purpose so is weatherproof and has a good Fresnel lens.* When I take the dog ashore for his last run of the night and look out at the boats in the anchorage, our lantern is as bright as the majority of the other anchor lights out there.* One reason--- although not the main one--- we prefer the lantern is that its flame is orange-ish instead of white.* In a dark anchorage on a clear night, I found it interesting how many anchor lights "disappear" in the stars, particularly the higher*lights on the sailboats.

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:35 AM   #66
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I don't really understand the point of a day marker for anchoring. I've honestly never seen anyone use one. It's kind of obvious if a boat is anchored, or at least it seems that it is to me....
Most people don't use day shapes it is sort of a commercial thing. Good to know if you come upon a boat and wonder if it's moving, stationary or involved in some sort of operation. i.e. fishing, trawling or mine sweeping.I made a day shape round ball out of a styrofoam ball and black spray paint. When I applied the paint it made the ball decrease in size by about 1/3.

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:45 AM   #67
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Guess I'm the only one with the ball, as well as steaming cone for the sailboat.

But with our ligatious society , it seems prudent.
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:17 AM   #68
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Woodsong. you use the anchor wire to power both.* Come off the anchor light wire with a toggle switch between the two.* I mounted the toggle switch on the mast with dirt outside electrical box to protect it.* That way you can leave the original stern wiring and light where it is.


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I would double check if a 360 degree light is legal for your size boat?* I would not take TF board word with out double checking.* *
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:28 AM   #69
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*We usually use a kerosene lantern instead of the electric anchor light.* We have a lantern that was designed for this purpose so is weatherproof and has a good Fresnel lens.*
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I collect old boat lights. Would love to see a pic of what you have.

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We always hoist a black ball when at anchor during daylight hours.* The reasons are two fold.* First of all it's in the regulations and required, however loosely.* But the main reason is because I'm scared of lawyers and insurance companies.* Can't you just imagine being run over while at anchor and having an opposing attorney ask in court why I wasn't flying the required shape?* I can also imagine being denied coverage by my insurance carrier for the same reason.* Call me paranoid, I guess.* But I'm not about to test the system.

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Old 12-09-2010, 11:37 AM   #71
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Windsong,** use the anchor wire to power both.* Come off the anchor light wire with a toggle switch between the two.* I mounted the toggle switch on the mast with dirt outside electrical box to protect it.* That way you can leave the original stern wiring and light where it is.


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If a 360-degree white masthead*light is used for navigation, the boat must be less than 12 meters in length.* Separate 225-degree (masthead) and 135-degree stern*lights are required for boats between 12 and 20 meters.
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But with our ligatious society , it seems prudent.
What? Is the Okeechobee League of Degenerate Fellowship Association*& Reproductive Termination Society picketing the local Planned Parenthood office again?


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It's not old.* It was given to us new by a good friend a few years after we bought the boat in 1998.

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Old Farts?

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I would double check if a 360 degree light is legal for your size boat?

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This is a summary of what I have read and found and seems to be correct and USCG compliant. *Since my boat is a 36' I fall into the less than 12m category so a single white masthead light and sidelights are legal:



Lights displayed by power-driven vessels underway
A power-driven vessel underway must display:a masthead light forward;If over 50*metres (164 ft) length, then also a second masthead light aft and higher than the forward one;sidelights;a sternlight.A hovercraft must also display an all-round flashing yellow light.A*wing-in-ground craft must also display a bright all-round flashing red light when taking off, landing, or flying near the surface.A power-driven vessel of less than 12*metres (39.4 ft) may display only an all-round white light and sidelights. However in the case of a skiff a wooden clinker rowing boat which falls into this category only needs to be capible of showing a white light.A power-driven vessel of less than 7*metres (23.0 ft) whose maximum speed does not exceed 7*knots (13 km/h; 8 mph) must be capible of showing a white light
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I would double check if a 360 degree light is legal for your size boat?

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This is a summary of what I have read and found and seems to be correct and USCG compliant. *Since my boat is a 36' I fall into the less than 12m category so a single white masthead light and sidelights are legal:






Tony

You are absolutely right. Vessels up to 12 meter (39' 4") may choose to display as you do, all around masthead and sidelights. I do the same on my thirty six, and verified the legality long ago. It's clearly stated in the nav rules.
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I must confess that I do find it odd that the USCG has two different allowed methods of marking boats under 12m. I would think that it could only potentially lead to confusion and just one more thing people have to remember....I would have thought the USCG would have only one allowed method for each size class so as to create a uniform lighting scheme for all size classes. In my instance I am glad I am allowed to safely go the route of just one masthead light but I am perplexed as to why the USCG allows two different methods for the same size vessels.
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I must confess that I do find it odd that the USCG has two different allowed methods of marking boats under 12m. I would think that it could only potentially lead to confusion and just one more thing people have to remember....I would have thought the USCG would have only one allowed method for each size class so as to create a uniform lighting scheme for all size classes. In my instance I am glad I am allowed to safely go the route of just one masthead light but I am perplexed as to why the USCG allows two different methods for the same size vessels.
Tony*I agree. I do see one possibility for allowing the all around on us smaller vessels, simply because small boats are more limited as to where they can carry their dinghys. But, why not make the all around the only configuration for 12m and under.

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........................... *Can't you just imagine being run over while at anchor and having an opposing attorney ask in court why I wasn't flying the required shape?*
If the other operator is so blind or so drunk he can't see your boat in front of him, what would make anyone think he could see a round black ball hanging from your boat?*

Go to your nearest boat ramp and ask ten boaters what a black ball hanging from a boat means.* I'll be not more than one in ten will know.

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