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Old 12-05-2010, 10:49 AM   #21
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RE: Let us talk about Navigation Lights and Anchor Lights

There is the legal side of lights and depending on your location the reality.

Some cruisers that anchor in or near a fishing port will purchase a half dozen solar yard lights.

With a higher quality battery most of these will make it thru the night.

So when the draggers start out at 3am, at least there is a chance of someone being awake enough to notice you anchored, and not drop the booms till further out of the port.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:14 AM   #22
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Marin, at night*with the dinghy on the back of Moonstruck, the 12 point stern light is obscured.* We have a mast with the Aqua Signal 20 point light stacked directly over the 32 point anchor light.* When the dinghy is carried on the platform, the anchor light is turned on.**looks like one bright light on top.* Nothing is disconnected.* Don't know if this is proper or not, but it seems rasonable.
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I don't know what the USCG or a court of law would rule, but having two lights turned on that look like one light from a distance does probably not meet the legal definition of having one light on.* If someone were to look at your boat through a pair of binoculars they may see that there are two white lights stacked on top of each other and may make an assumption that they shouldn't be making.* Logic tends to be discounted by the law.

Of course the reality is that your lighting practice would only be called into question if you were involved in an incident or accident in which the lighting displayed by your boat could have been a factor.

On our boat the steaming light sits on it's own little platform about 2/3 of the way up the mast, so if we left it on along with the anchor light, there would be no mistaking that we had two vertical white lights on the mast.* In the photo our steamng light is at the bottom of the photo.



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Old 12-05-2010, 04:00 PM   #23
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This is the mast and light configuration on Moonstruck.* It would take a very discerning eye to pick up 2 separage lights at any distance.* Marin could be quite right, but it looks like one light to me.* The 20 point 3 mi. light is directly above the 32 point 2 mi. anchor light.





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Old 12-06-2010, 01:56 PM   #24
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Most of the LED's are several hundred dollars per light whereas I can get a masthead light for $20. Given all the other money I spending on other parts of the boat, I am going to pass on the LEDs for now- i have to save SOME projects for a few years down the road!

Thanks all.
You don't have to spend several hundred dollars for an LED all around light.*

One very good reason for using LEDs in an anchor light is the greatly reduced current consumption.* Since your engine will not be running and producing current the efficiency of the LEDs is good to have.* Figure about one tenth the power consumption.


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Old 12-06-2010, 02:06 PM   #25
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The PO of my boat replaced a fixture that had a forward facing steaming light and an additional rear facing bulb to convert it to an "anchor light".* It sits just above the windscreen for the flybridge.* OK, fine.

The first time I operated the boat at night, I realized that this light seriously obstructed my vision to the point where I could not safely operate the boat.* So - empty inverted coffee mug to the rescue.

I really need to do something about this before taking any more trips where I might have to operate in the dark.* I'll probably go back to the original configuration but with LEDs.
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:07 PM   #26
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The two lights, stacked, indicate to a distant other boat that you are over 50m (164ft) long. Being vertically aligned, this behemoth is coming right at them, and being bright (because you are fairly close to them) they have little time to get out of your way. They will eventually figure you out, but by then may need a change of pants.
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:09 PM   #27
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that "Coast Guard Approved" is not mandatory, just that the navigation lights meet the performance specifications. After all, once you change a burnt out bulb in a standard fixture with one not branded by the fixture manufacturer, it's no longer "Coast Guard Approved" anyway.
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:51 PM   #28
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Ooh, man that is salty sailor talk for sure*...
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The two lights, stacked, indicate to a distant other boat that you are over 50m (164ft) long. Being vertically aligned, this behemoth is coming right at them, and being bright (because you are fairly close to them) they have little time to get out of your way. They will eventually figure you out, but by then may need a change of pants.
So that is why other boats have been moving over to give me the right of way!* I thought they were just being courteous.* Two mast head lights are optional on a boat less than 50 meters, but technically one should be behind the other.* I know----- tehnicalities are what bite you in the butt.

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Old 12-06-2010, 04:16 PM   #30
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Ooh, man that is salty sailor talk for sure*...
Yep, I'm thinking of getting some bigger air horns just to complete the ruse.

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Ooh, man that is salty sailor talk for sure*...
Yep, I'm thinking of getting some bigger air horns just to complete the ruse.

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Y'all know that Moonstruck is in Tennessee. *Confidentially, he emailed me today a link to the airhorn he really wants to put on his Sabre to "round out the experience" as he put it. *He mentioned something else about a paint job to change the hull color and welding the pilothouse door shut. *I am a little worried about what he is planning to do but here is a link to the horn he wants to install and a similar paint job I think...y'all tell me if it's a good idea or not???



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Y'all know that Moonstruck is in Tennessee. *Confidentially, he emailed me today a link to the airhorn he really wants to put on his Sabre to "round out the experience" as he put it.**

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Shucks, Woodsong, you didn't have to tell all my secrets.* By the way did I ever tell you guys about my 12 point side lights?

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Old 12-06-2010, 06:20 PM   #33
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The two lights, stacked, indicate to a distant other boat that you are over 50m (164ft) long. Being vertically aligned, this behemoth is coming right at them, and being bright (because you are fairly close to them) they have little time to get out of your way. They will eventually figure you out, but by then may need a change of pants.
Actually there are several indications with two lights white over white.

If you follow the Colregs. Rule 23(a) If viewed from the bow you could be considered a Power Driven greater than 50 Meters.

*You could also be mistaken for a tow vessel greater than 50 meters engaged in a tow. rule 24(b).

then there is Rule 25(e) A motor sailer greater than 50 meters. All these are viewed from the bow

*I am not sure but if you added a green and another red light* you could be considered A submersible seaplane Pilot vessel engaged in mine sweeping with a trawl.

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*I am not sure but if you added a green and another red light* you could be considered A submersible seaplane Pilot vessel engaged in mine sweeping with a trawl.

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Now, I'm looking for my Defender catalogue to order some more lights.* This boating could become an expensive hobby!

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Yep, I'm thinking of getting some bigger air horns just to complete the ruse.

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I've ordered the D-1 Kahlenberg air horn to keep those 40-mph passenger ferries at bay.

http://www.kahlenberg.com/yacht.html

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I've ordered the D-1 Kahlenberg air horn to keep those 40-mph passenger ferries at bay.
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Mark, just stack 2 white lights.* The ferries will think that you are a big ship and get out of your way.

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Mark, just stack 2 white lights.* The ferries will think that you are a big ship and get out of your way.
I dunno.* They might think I'm much farther away than*I really am.* I'd need a much*taller mast.

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RED over RED "captain in the head"


R over R is a vessel out of control, should get their attention.
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Mark, you sure are lucky.* I wish I had this kind of quality input when outfitting my boat!!!
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The 2 masthead lights you are referring to are range lights and must seperated to form a range.
When viewed from ahead they appear " stacked " , when seen from the side they can tell dirrection of travel (lower light fwd). These lights can be seen further away than the side lights. If your 2 white lights are over each other, then they can be mistaken for a tow alongside or pushing ahead.
If there is an accident, a board of inquiry can (an will) deem the offending vsl as "un seaworthy"
if showing the incorrect running lights. The paperwork that comes with running lights usually has the coast guard compliance proof that will suffice to "prove" the lights comply.
In this age of lawsuits over "hot" coffee and burgers made me fat- why take chances?
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