Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 12-16-2012, 05:23 PM   #61
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern Spy View Post
Seems like the Commonwealth countries are a bit more "formal" and in my opinion, "correct" than the US. Perhaps it it because they require a license and a requisite course to operate?
So far as I know, a radio license is not required to operate a VHF marine radio in the US. A license used to be required to operate a VHF radio in an aircraft, but it was what used to be referred to as a "Third Phone" (3rd Class Radiotelephone Operator's License) which simply meant you paid the government some money and you got one. I have one but they're good for life so I don't know if that requirement still stands or not.

You also don't need a station license to have a VHF radio in a boat in the US. If you are going to operate that boat in the waters of another country like Canada or Mexico you do need a station license. We have them for our boats because they both go up into BC. They are good for x-number of years and renewing them is not the least expensive thing on the planet.

I think I have those requirements correct. If I'm wrong please correct me.
__________________
Advertisement

Marin is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 05:37 PM   #62
Guru
 
Ocean Breeze NL's Avatar
 
City: Springdale, NL
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Ocean Breeze
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 85OA38
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 530
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobofthenorth View Post
The reason you name the hailed vessel first is to attract his attention. When you lead with your own vessel's name the hailed vessel may miss your name completely by the time they realize you are hailing them.
You are correct Mr. Bobo on the reverse calling and I will correct it however can't ever remember anyone ever missing my call or visa-versa. Oh well I guess I will have to sign up for that course one day so I can inform all the other amateurs around home that I missed their hail cause I don't listen in reverse anymore.

Elwin
__________________

__________________
Elwin
Ocean Breeze NL is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 05:40 PM   #63
Senior Member
 
Larry H's Avatar
 
City: Pacific Northwest
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Jacari Maru
Vessel Model: 2014 Ranger Tug R-27
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 359
Northern Spy,

In the USA, no test or license is required. The VHF radio must be operated in accordance with the rules and the USCG can 'spank' an operator 'on the air' for inconsiderate operation. For serious offenses, the FCC can fine operators. It was determined by USCG? that having more VHF radios on boats was good for safety on the water.

For a US registered or licensed boats to operate internationally, the ships radio station must be licensed, and the operator must have a Radio Operators License, which costs money, but no test required.
__________________
Larry H
Cruising the Pacific Northwest
Larry H is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 07:18 PM   #64
Guru
 
Tom.B's Avatar
 
City: Cary, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Skinny Dippin'
Vessel Model: Navigator 4200 Classic
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,153
I would be surprised if anyone on the Neuse doesn't know Skinny Dippin' is a trawler/powerboat. TBH, there aren't too many motoryachts on the Neuse compared to sailboats. However, if there are multiple boats around and I am hailing another boat or bridge, I will ID us as a trawler or motor vessel. Just to be clear.
__________________
2000 Navigator 4200 Classic
(NOT a trawler)
Tom.B is online now  
Old 12-16-2012, 07:23 PM   #65
Guru
 
bobofthenorth's Avatar
 
City: Cowichan Bay, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Gray Hawk
Vessel Model: Defever 43 Offshore Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 570
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze NL View Post
You are correct Mr. Bobo
You can't imagine what a relief it is to know I have your approval.

Perhaps when you start actually listening to the other radio operators you will discover that you were the only doofus out there.
bobofthenorth is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 07:28 PM   #66
Guru
 
BobH's Avatar
 
City: Montgomery, TX
Country: USA
Vessel Model: None, but looking
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 779
Damn, that Marin is such an expert on everything I don't know why I didn't ask him in the first place.

Bob
BobH is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 07:29 PM   #67
TF Site Team
 
Peter B's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Lotus
Vessel Model: Clipper (CHB) 34 Sedan/Europa style
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,670
Send a message via Skype™ to Peter B
Originally Posted by Northern Spy
Seems like the Commonwealth countries are a bit more "formal" and in my opinion, "correct" than the US. Perhaps it it because they require a license and a requisite course to operate?[/QUOTE]

Greatpappabear from the UK replied...

Using a VHF without having passed the test (in the UK) is an offence.

As it is also downunder both here here in Oz and NZ. We were fortunate in that the OZ people accept the NZ qualification both my wife and I had when we came over.

It obviously, (like the requirement for all pilots to pass/have a boat licence), pays dividends, as inappropriate traffic on our VHF is very limited, and usually only happens if a child manages to get playing on one - usually rapidly terminated by an irate and apologetic parent.
Peter B is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 07:55 PM   #68
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH View Post
Damn, that Marin is such an expert on everything I don't know why I didn't ask him in the first place.

Bob

You asked how people refer to their boats on the radio. While it seems to me to be a question common sense would answer for most boaters, since you asked I told you that in this area, virtually everyone simply refers to their boats by name only. They don't say 'sailing vessel" or "motor vessel" or whatnot. At least not in normal, Ch.16 radio calls.

What people do in other areas is what they do in other areas.

99.999 percent of the time nobody's gonna give a rip how you refer to your boat. Trawler, cruiser, pleasure boat, motor vessel, recreational vessel, toy boat---- it doesn't matter to me or them. There doesn't seem to be any rule about it if that's what you're looking for.

If in the odd chance someone actually does care about what kind of boat you have--- the USCG will probably want to know if you tell them you're sinking--- they'll ask for a clarification if whatever you choose to call yourself doesn't make sense to them. Otherwise, I suspect nobody cares. So call your boat whatever you want.

If you didn't want to know what other people did, why'd you ask?
Marin is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 09:38 PM   #69
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH View Post
Damn, that Marin is such an expert on everything I don't know why I didn't ask him in the first place.

Bob
Bob, Marin doesn't need more ego boosts.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 09:58 PM   #70
TF Site Team
 
FlyWright's Avatar
 
City: California Delta and SF Bay
Country: Sacramento, CA, USA (boat in Vallejo)
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,184
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry H View Post
Flywright,

In the PNW many boaters use a channel scan function on their VHF. Unless they are looking at the VHF when the call comes in, they may not know which of the scanned channels to answer on. When I had only one VHF I would routinely scan Ch 16 and the VTS channel, and sometimes Ch 6 (tugboats) and occasionally Ch 78 (commercial fishermen). After missing an important announcement on the VTS channel, I installed a second VHF radio. Now I have one radio on Ch 16 and the other on VTS (vessel traffic service) or other channel of interest.
Larry, That's what we did, too. Our lower helm main radio is a Standard Horizon flush mounted into the header panel. It usually stays on 16 or 9 as needed.

I also scan channels almost always, as I suppose most local boaters do in these parts. The flybridge radio is an Icom M422 that has a CommandMic allowing remote use at the lower helm. That control is normally set to scan the local channels. When a call comes in on that scanning radio, it stops the scan feature and displays the channel of the incoming call. If I click the transmit button on that channel, it stays on that channel until I return to scan.
__________________
Al

Custom Google Trawler Forum Search
FlyWright is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:05 PM   #71
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
Someone needs to show this Luddite how to make my VHF scan particular channels. Ray? Al?
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:09 PM   #72
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
Someone needs to show this Luddite how to make my VHF scan particular channels. Ray? Al?
If you still have the manual it will usually give pretty clear instructions on how to set up the various scan modes like dual-watch, tri-watch, priority scan, and so forth.
Marin is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:14 PM   #73
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post
If you still have the manual it will usually give pretty clear instructions on how to set up the various scan modes like dual-watch, tri-watch, priority scan, and so forth.
Sssshhhh! Marin, I want an excuse for someone to come on the Coot.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:17 PM   #74
Guru
 
Keith's Avatar
 
Vessel Name: Anastasia III
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,716
Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
Sssshhhh! Marin, I want an excuse for someone to come on the Coot.
Excuse me?
Keith is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:17 PM   #75
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
Sssshhhh! Marin, I want an excuse for someone to come on the Coot.
Sorry.........
Marin is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:42 PM   #76
Senior Member
 
xfedex's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: usa
Vessel Name: Fluke
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 131
I am joining the discussion late. I call "Tiger, Tiger, Tiger, this is motor vessel Fluke on 16"

I use M/V because a one syllable name like ours, Fluke, called alone could sound like a cat choking on a hairball. Something to think about when naming a boat. Payday or Hay day would also NOT be a good choice for other reasons.

I mention ch 16 because some vessels monitor 16 and 13 and 8. I think it clarifies.

I have mused on the FCC station license requirement in for US boats in Canada. If I am in Canada am I in reach of the US FCC?.Just a thought.
xfedex is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 10:54 PM   #77
Senior Member
 
xfedex's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: usa
Vessel Name: Fluke
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 131
The importance of being understood on the radio

xfedex is offline  
Old 12-16-2012, 11:31 PM   #78
Guru
 
Giggitoni's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo, California
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Mahalo Moi
Vessel Model: 1986 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,532
Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post

Sssshhhh! Marin, I want an excuse for someone to come on the Coot.
I'm in Idaho at the moment. Sea ya' on Saturday. We'll figure it out!
__________________
Ray
"Mahalo Moi"
1986 GB-42 Classic
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑβΕ
Giggitoni is offline  
Old 12-17-2012, 12:48 AM   #79
Guru
 
BruceK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 7,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern Spy View Post
Seems like the Commonwealth countries are a bit more "formal" and in my opinion, "correct" than the US. Perhaps it it because they require a license and a requisite course to operate?
Required yes, but in practice most people don`t bother getting one here. It helps to at least use the correct alphabet, and observe courtesies and silence periods. Coastguard keep boat details after a log on, so it becomes quicker after, they have most information already.
Recently someone on a boat inappropriately activated its DSC.The skipper spent a lot of time explaining and apologizing. VHF 16 is no place for idiots and the misguided.
__________________
BruceK
Island Gypsy 36 Europa "Doriana"
Sydney Australia
BruceK is offline  
Old 12-17-2012, 12:52 AM   #80
TF Site Team
 
FlyWright's Avatar
 
City: California Delta and SF Bay
Country: Sacramento, CA, USA (boat in Vallejo)
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,184
Which model do you have, Mark? Surely you have a picture of it!! I have a buddy moving a 30 ft Chris Craft from your marina to Eddo's next week. If I accompany him, I'll let you know and take a look with you. If all else fails, you can always RTFM!! ;-)
__________________

__________________
Al

Custom Google Trawler Forum Search
FlyWright is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012