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Old 01-12-2018, 09:36 AM   #21
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Garmin issues aside-

For those of us in the PNW, what does AC provide that otherwise isn't available? AC's following seems largely Atlantic side related.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:37 AM   #22
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AC is going to get out of date pretty quickly too, if people take a "wait and see" attitude about Garmin's ownership. Its independence from big for-profits was what led to AC,'s success, IMO.

I, for one, am not thrilled doing free research, analysis and writing for Garmin. They already get more of my money than I think they've earned.

I may be biased. I've been involved in other volunteer programs where I put in a lot of time and effort, only to have the results of those efforts sold to some faceless MegaCorp for top dollar.
I think you are biased.

People who use Active Captain don't really care who owns it, they just care that it meets their needs. As for reviews, it's at least partly an ego thing. It's a way to get people to read what you write and a way to try to impress people.

Many of the people who write reviews (all Internet reviews, not just AC) are clearly idiots, but there is some good information to be gained from some of them.

As long as the marinas and anchorages are displayed on the charts or satellite views and as long as they are kept current, I don't think most users will care if Garmin or some other company owns it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:42 AM   #23
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Garmin issues aside-

For those of us in the PNW, what does AC provide that otherwise isn't available? AC's following seems largely Atlantic side related.
That's had to say because I don't know what's "otherwise available". I zoomed in on your area and saw a lot of marinas and such shown.

There's not really anything in Active Captain that's not available somewhere else (except for reviews) but Active Captain puts it all in one place and makes it easy to find. And unlike a book, it's constantly being updated.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:54 AM   #24
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For those of us in the PNW, what does AC provide that otherwise isn't available? AC's following seems largely Atlantic side related.
Nothing. My reviews I did 6 or so years ago are still at the top of the page.

My take on it. People boat the ICW to "go to", people boat in the PNW to "get away". Two disparate sets of needs.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:59 AM   #25
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That's had to say because I don't know what's "otherwise available". I zoomed in on your area and saw a lot of marinas and such shown.

There's not really anything in Active Captain that's not available somewhere else (except for reviews) but Active Captain puts it all in one place and makes it easy to find. And unlike a book, it's constantly being updated.
Every year we buy Waggoners cruising guide. Updated annually pretty well and works in areas where cellular connection for WiFi not available. Alas, no matter since I'm a Trident laptop owner. Trident was good for AC initially, but updates now unavailable in our area so back to old fashioned ways.
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I am decidedly not a fan of the previous owner of AC and am decidedly a fan of the product. Use it only as a stand alone product as I never considered it a navigation system. No interest in eboatcards or any social aspect of it. The one thing it exceeds all other resources in was the completeness of the listings of marinas. It is also helpful in other information such as shoals, inlets, bridges, etc. whether original information or copied from elsewhere. For us, it hasn't yet lost it's usefulness but that's only because we can still access the flash version. Seems that the conversion/transition was started and then stopped dead in it's tracks. Don't know the reason. At this very moment, I can't get it to come up in the flash version however. Yesterday it worked fine. It seems to me the updates from users, the reviews, etc. have come to a virtual stand still since the ownership change. If so, it's value will gradually diminish rather than increase as it should.

My original fear was that it was too small and insignificant to Garmin and would get ignored and treated like an ugly stepchild, not like a favored new offering. It's not uncommon for a company the size of Garmin to buy this and that and this along the way and just not spend the time or effort to maximize most.

I think it says a lot that even such as it was, customer support was eliminated at the time of the purchase and people told to go to facebook, where it's also not available.
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Many of the people who write reviews (all Internet reviews, not just AC) are clearly idiots, but there is some good information to be gained from some of them.

Rats. I hadn't realized. I wrote some marina review, so I must be an idiot. Clearly.

I wonder if I was (clearly) an idiot before writing those, or whether writing the reviews (clearly) turned me into an idiot.

I guess I'm maybe too much of an idiot (clearly) to figure that out.

But thanks at least for cluing me in to my idiot-hood-ness.

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Every year we buy Waggoners cruising guide. Updated annually pretty well and works in areas where cellular connection for WiFi not available. Alas, no matter since I'm a Trident laptop owner. Trident was good for AC initially, but updates now unavailable in our area so back to old fashioned ways.
Hard to beat Waggoners. Even though it is free to download, I still buy the hardcopy.
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Rats. I hadn't realized. I wrote some marina review, so I must be an idiot. Clearly.

I wonder if I was (clearly) an idiot before writing those, or whether writing the reviews (clearly) turned me into an idiot.

I guess I'm maybe too much of an idiot (clearly) to figure that out.

But thanks at least for cluing me in to my idiot-hood-ness.

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Glad to hear I'm in good company.
I utilized the reviews when cruising and felt it reasonable tp help keep the info current and useful in return fir access to the free app.
Since that was dropped a few yrs ago no reviews submitted and only access online occasionally.
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I wrote so many idiotic reviews that I was sent a dunce's cap.
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I wrote so many idiotic reviews that I was sent a dunce's cap.
Thanks I needed that.
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It could be working great but I worry that one of the Garmin people decided to eat meat.


Awesome! I needed a good laugh today!
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Iím going back to relying more on Salty Southwest Cruisers Net and the Waterway Guide.


What A« has demonstrated is that nothing beats professionally assembled and edited content. User reviews are great, but user content is rubbish.
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Awesome! I needed a good laugh today!
Ooooohhhhh. I get it (now).
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What A« has demonstrated is that nothing beats professionally assembled and edited content. User reviews are great, but user content is rubbish.


^^This^^

There is surely good content on there, but that doesnít negate the mounds of poor content put there by inexperienced captains or crews or worse, people that have a beef with a business or even AC. Unfortunately, there isnít any way to tell. I am okay with crowd-sourced reviews for a musical or a restaurant. I am NOT okay with reviews and observations that could put my life and boat in jeopardy.

I hate to say this because AC is a useful tool for so many (me included), but after the treatment the previous proprietor had toward some of his base customers here, I wouldnít lose sleep if Garmin shuts it down completely. Hopefully, taking his code and finding a way to put it to productive use.
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I’ve used AC for a number of years and would rate it an 8 out of 10. I don’t like that marinas can buy “Best status” but overall I like the product. I’ve never had a problem with Jeffery and have communicated with him and have had no quarrels.
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I hate to say this because AC is a useful tool for so many (me included), but after the treatment the previous proprietor had toward some of his base customers here, I wouldnít lose sleep if Garmin shuts it down completely. Hopefully, taking his code and finding a way to put it to productive use.
I'm hoping the opposite, that Garmin is able to continue to build it, but independent of their product. There is not a replacement for it today. Bits and pieces, but nothing as widespread.
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I was an early member AC and then of the banned club as well.
He epitomizes the kind of person who loves to dish it out but can't take it.
Waterway Guide and CruiserNet have user content available and regular edited updates. The former in particular has very comprehensive marina info
As for hazards there is always the good old LNMs
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I was an early member AC and then of the banned club as well.
He epitomizes the kind of person who loves to dish it out but can't take it.
Waterway Guide and CruiserNet have user content available and regular edited updates. The former in particular has very comprehensive marina info
As for hazards there is always the good old LNMs
But they cover small areas. I was a dedicated member and recommended it often and I was never banned. Wasn't bad like you guys. lol
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But they cover small areas. I was a dedicated member and recommended it often and I was never banned. Wasn't bad like you guys. lol
Well, I think it you had been identifiable, Wify-B would have been banned for her dining habits.
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