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Old 01-13-2015, 06:23 AM   #41
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OK, so just to review:

Marina WiFi; if it's available you can configure one of these 0 configuration (sounds like an oxymoron) camera's to work. The cost is $0 except for the incidental slip fee.

Cellular data; These cameras will connect to a cellular device like a MiFi unit and work. The MiFi unit would have to be on all the time and presumably data would be charged against your account only when you use the camera.

Kevin mentioned he was able to get a 2nd cellular device dedicated to the boat and have the data used charged against his account. I would be very surprised if Verizon (my cellular data carrier) allowed me to purchase a MiFi unit on e-bay and somehow connect it to my existing account without establishing a new account. That would be like having 2 cell phones with the same number but only be charged for one.
Kevin, is this so?
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:36 AM   #42
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When I got my Verizon MIFI they asked if I was getting a new one or registering an existing one. I think they just charge a connection fee. $10 monthly?

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Old 01-13-2015, 08:21 AM   #43
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When I got my Verizon MIFI they asked if I was getting a new one or registering an existing one. I think they just charge a connection fee. $10 monthly?

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My Verizon MiFi unit has a sim card. Perhaps that's why they asked that question. You can use the sim card in any device that accepts it, but you only get one sim card. I least I thought so. I'll call Verizon.
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Old 01-13-2015, 08:32 AM   #44
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Are there no Bluetooth cameras out there, with corresponding apps to display on tablets?


(Just did a quick Google search, with inconclusive results...)


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OK, so just to review:

Marina WiFi; if it's available you can configure one of these 0 configuration (sounds like an oxymoron) camera's to work. The cost is $0 except for the incidental slip fee.

Cellular data; These cameras will connect to a cellular device like a MiFi unit and work. The MiFi unit would have to be on all the time and presumably data would be charged against your account only when you use the camera.

Kevin mentioned he was able to get a 2nd cellular device dedicated to the boat and have the data used charged against his account. I would be very surprised if Verizon (my cellular data carrier) allowed me to purchase a MiFi unit on e-bay and somehow connect it to my existing account without establishing a new account. That would be like having 2 cell phones with the same number but only be charged for one.
Kevin, is this so?
Yes, in theory you could connect your cameras to your marinas WIFI, but thats not how I would do it.

What you want is a USB type cellular modem. Something like this.



Plug that unit into a cellular capable router. I personally like the Cradlepoint brand units, but there are other brands out there.



This gives you a network on your boat. You can even program the router to use your marinas WIFI signal as its preferred connection if you want, saving you cellular data charges.

Once you have a network on your boat, then everything connects to the network. Cameras, laptops, tablets whatever you want. Even your new TV can connect directly to your network so you can stream HULU TV for example.

Your cellular provider does not care, or even know about how many devices are plugged onto your router. They are in the business to sell data connectivity.

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Yes, almost everybody has or has access to a group data plan. I am with At&T. They charge me $10 per device, so my boat network costs me $10 a month.
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Old 01-13-2015, 10:14 AM   #46
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Thanks Kevin, that explains a lot.
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For my boat network, I use an AT&T wireless air card, a Pepwave SUS-AGN1 wireless router and two (2) D-Link ECS-5010L cameras.

At home I can access these cameras via the internet, cellular modem or my iphone using mydlink+ software.

When I look at my AT&T usage, it shows that every three hours I use about 500 kb even though I have not accessed the cameras. Not sure if it is the air card polling occasionally for connectivity or what.

When I access the cameras, my D-Link program tells me the cameras are operating at 3 to 4 fps, the bit rate is around 942 kbps and that I have audio streaming (which I can turn off). After accessing both cameras (one at a time) and look at each video for approximately 20 seconds and later go and look at my AT&T usage it usually shows that I used about 10 to 12 MB.

The months that we are not on the boat and if I access the cameras every couple of days our 10 GB plan is plenty. However, when we are on the boat for part of the billing cycle and using our other devices we have to watch ourselves that we do not go over.

The router and camera work fine, but I do have problems with the resolution (640x480). I have one of my cameras looking at my AC/DC distribution panel and have problems reading the gauges as there always seems be a glare on the glass of the meters no matter where I have the camera located. It is worse when in the night mode

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OK guys I tried something today.

I bought a new cradlepoint mbr1200b on amazon.com

I grabbed a USB cellular modem provided by my carrier (AT&T).

Plugged the USB modem into the brand new out of the box router.

Plugged my laptop into the router.

Turned the router on and waited 5 minutes.

Then without doing ANYTHING ELSE came went directly to trawler forum and posted this message.

Gentlemen, it does not get easier than that!
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OK, I was wrong. D-Link filled a need in making their webcam simple to connect to a router. Great for them - it's the essence of business to find needs like that. I wasn't aware of it at all having used regular, dumber webcams over the last few years. I probably need to get away from my helm and keyboard every once in a while to see what else is new out there.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there are still issues to overcome if you want to remotely access the camera using most public/marina wifi on the boat end, correct? We have a router on the boat, which we use to connect all of our devices, and it in turn connects to the marina wifi for internet access. We do it this way for simplicity, to be able to use our chromecast with the TV, and most importantly because we can locate the router in the pilot house where it gets a much stronger wifi signal than our devices in the cabin. With this system in place, my understanding is that we would still be unlikely able to access a camera on our boat network unless the marina gives us access to or makes changes to the wifi amin set up on their end. Am I missing something? Would love to be able to pull up a camera to check on the boat, particularly in winter, but I don't want to spend the money on a camera if it is unlikely to work.
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OK, I was wrong. D-Link filled a need in making their webcam simple to connect to a router. Great for them - it's the essence of business to find needs like that. I wasn't aware of it at all having used regular, dumber webcams over the last few years. I probably need to get away from my helm and keyboard every once in a while to see what else is new out there.
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My Verizon MiFi unit has a sim card. Perhaps that's why they asked that question. You can use the sim card in any device that accepts it, but you only get one sim card. I least I thought so. I'll call Verizon.
Actually I tried that just the other day. Put it in my unlocked Nexus 4 . No go, did not work. I was surprised, figured I'd better not ask them why.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there are still issues to overcome if you want to remotely access the camera using most public/marina wifi on the boat end, correct? We have a router on the boat, which we use to connect all of our devices, and it in turn connects to the marina wifi for internet access. We do it this way for simplicity, to be able to use our chromecast with the TV, and most importantly because we can locate the router in the pilot house where it gets a much stronger wifi signal than our devices in the cabin. With this system in place, my understanding is that we would still be unlikely able to access a camera on our boat network unless the marina gives us access to or makes changes to the wifi amin set up on their end. Am I missing something? Would love to be able to pull up a camera to check on the boat, particularly in winter, but I don't want to spend the money on a camera if it is unlikely to work.
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Just be careful with some wireless cameras. I tried one from the stern where running cable is difficult. Both the MFD end and the stern camera end got really hot so I removed the receiver and transceiver units and tossed them in the trash.

I will look at the ones Jeff recommends but having cameras in the engine room as well as on each side walk around make it safer when one is outside and the person at the helm is able to keep an eye on whats going on, totally worth it.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but there are still issues to overcome if you want to remotely access the camera using most public/marina wifi on the boat end, correct? We have a router on the boat, which we use to connect all of our devices, and it in turn connects to the marina wifi for internet access. We do it this way for simplicity, to be able to use our chromecast with the TV, and most importantly because we can locate the router in the pilot house where it gets a much stronger wifi signal than our devices in the cabin. With this system in place, my understanding is that we would still be unlikely able to access a camera on our boat network unless the marina gives us access to or makes changes to the wifi amin set up on their end. Am I missing something? Would love to be able to pull up a camera to check on the boat, particularly in winter, but I don't want to spend the money on a camera if it is unlikely to work.
If your router uses WIFI as its WAN signal then there is no reason you could not have cameras be accessable from outside the boat. The only caveat is if the marina WIFI provider blocks certain types of traffic, like for example cameras.

Cellular providers on the other hand do not block anything.
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Just be careful with some wireless cameras. I tried one from the stern where running cable is difficult. Both the MFD end and the stern camera end got really hot so I removed the receiver and transceiver units and tossed them in the trash.

I will look at the ones Jeff recommends but having cameras in the engine room as well as on each side walk around make it safer when one is outside and the person at the helm is able to keep an eye on whats going on, totally worth it.

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Hot is not good. The cameras I use are AC powered. Just plug the camera in and connect it to your boats WIFI network.

Dlink even has outdoor rated cameras that work great! A little more money for these but I have several in service and am quite happy with the image quality and the reliability.
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If your router uses WIFI as its WAN signal then there is no reason you could not have cameras be accessable from outside the boat. The only caveat is if the marina WIFI provider blocks certain types of traffic, like for example cameras.
Well, I went ahead and ordered a Dlink to give it a try. I went with the least espensive day only unit (one step down from the ones you use). If it doesn't work for remote access, it was only $30 and I could still use it for something else. I'll report back once we have tried it out on the marina wifi.
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Make sure you don't select DropCam since it requires an active internet connection and will bog down most wifi connections with the video transfer. It has no local storage, and no way to see the camera locally, so if you pull it up on your ipad on the boat, you tax your wifi connection twice, since it sends it to their server (extra cost too), and they send a copy back over the same link...

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Looks like the camera will be delivered today, so I should get a chance to try it this weekend. Gotta love Amazon Prime!
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Wireless Camera to My iPad

Is there a camera (wireless) that will talk to my iPad? (Preferably 12v) I don't need to monitor it any where other than when I'm on the boat. This is the ER cam I have now but it is cabled.
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