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Old 02-25-2015, 10:39 PM   #41
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more for comfort in shallow areas.
Although I have Garmin several friends have Furuno

my 4212 is not in the same category as the Furuno TZT 14 but does seem like a different league

the sonar is a must for my future especially here on the gulf coast
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Although I have Garmin several friends have Furuno



my 4212 is not in the same category as the Furuno TZT 14 but does seem like a different league



the sonar is a must for my future especially here on the gulf coast

Furuno is know for their great sonar. We're adding a sounder box next haul out and will post pics.
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[QUOTE=N4712;311392]Furuno is know for their great sonar. We're adding a sounder box next haul out and will post pi


we are doing a haul end of next month for our new swim platform

I will be adding some a few more electronic toys
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Furuno is know for their great sonar. We're adding a sounder box next haul out and will post pi





we are doing a haul end of next month for our new swim platform



I will be adding some a few more electronic toys

What kinds?
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What kinds?
Fir one I have been exploring changing to fururno but


these are not necessarily on haul out

change to 2 depth transponders

sonar

upgrade radar

new radios

underwater lights
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Fir one I have been exploring changing to fururno but





these are not necessarily on haul out



change to 2 depth transponders



sonar



upgrade radar



new radios



underwater lights

Sounds good, what kind of radar and UW lights are you putting in?
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The Garmin's are great to an extent, I've found Garmin to be very proprietary in some of their things like autopilots. You're forced to Ouse their heading sensor and pump. Also if you have multiple heading sensors you don't have the ability to choose which one you want, source selection and stuff like that is what bugs me about them. Also their proprietary charts, I love them for my area as they are based off very reputable charts (bahamas- explorer charts) ,but once we start cruising around in far destinations Garmin doesn't have charts for these places. So now what? Oh go get one that does.

I've also noted Garmin hardware getting kind of chinsey like the the type of connectors they have started using, and also it seems every time I pull the dust cover off my machines the bezel wants to come off with it. Little stuff like that bothers me too.

Of course you saved a lot because you were in Garmins target market.
Olly, a couple of things.
We are using the existing AP pump left over from the ray marine AP with our new garmin AP
My Garmin 7212 allow me to choose which heading sensor I want each device to use
My bezel stays put when I remove the dust covers, but if they came off that would annoy me too.
What areas are not covered by garmin charts?
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It will be interesting to see how well it works in shallow water. We are putting it on the boat I'm currently running even now. I'm not sure what use it will be when the bottom is close to the keel.
I use one on a bay boat and in most of my fishing spots (less than 10 ft of water) it is of little use. Nice offshore to find the relief of deeper reefs/scuttled oil platform shell pads and ledges/drop-offs in the passes. As far as navigational use/at anchor I don't see where it would be of value. Perhaps forward looking sonar if at dead slow would be useful. I would be interested in how one would use sidescan on a cruiser.
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Olly, a couple of things.
We are using the existing AP pump left over from the ray marine AP with our new garmin AP
My Garmin 7212 allow me to choose which heading sensor I want each device to use
My bezel stays put when I remove the dust covers, but if they came off that would annoy me too.
What areas are not covered by garmin charts?

AP: Last time I checked Garmin locked the people in when they came out with their Reactor series pumps which they hard mounted the brains to also. Did you get an older one?

Source selection: Your 7212 runs entirely different software then mine (The newer 741XS) so that must be the discrepancy.

Bezel: Yours Is a different design then mine, I guess they cheaped out a little on the newer plotters.

Charts: Southern Ocean and Africa. Again the recreational trawler is not going to be visiting these places, so it's not a big deal. But for people who do want then tough luck. Also I don't like how with Garmin your locked into just their charts, I like being able to choose which chart provider. Also being able to display NOAA's RNC's & VNC's is nice.
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AP: Last time I checked Garmin locked the people in when they came out with their Reactor series pumps which they hard mounted the brains to also. Did you get an older one?

Source selection: Your 7212 runs entirely different software then mine (The newer 741XS) so that must be the discrepancy.

Bezel: Yours Is a different design then mine, I guess they cheaped out a little on the newer plotters.

Charts: Southern Ocean and Africa. Again the recreational trawler is not going to be visiting these places, so it's not a big deal. But for people who do want then tough luck. Also I don't like how with Garmin your locked into just their charts, I like being able to choose which chart provider. Also being able to display NOAA's RNC's & VNC's is nice.

While I did not find charts for antarctica, I did find a full selection of charts for Africa.

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Ollie,
I'm also curious about your statement,
"Of course you saved a lot because you were in Garmins target market"

What do you mean by that?

Wouldn't I also be in Furuno's target market along with all the other manufacturer's as well?
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While I did not find charts for antarctica, I did find a full selection of charts for Africa.

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You know what i missed that my bad. I only saw the NW part of africa but now that i'm on a desktop and not a Ipad i could see their are.
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Ollie,
I'm also curious about your statement,
"Of course you saved a lot because you were in Garmins target market"

What do you mean by that?

Wouldn't I also be in Furuno's target market along with all the other manufacturer's as well?
From what I've seen Gamrin's market is more geared toward the day boats or CC markets. You would be in Furuno's market too(now), it used to be toward larger boats but now that they have gotten competitive in pricing it broadens their market area (they smarten'd up). A TZT14 used to be around $7600 which has gone down to since then $4100. Even the newly released Tz touch TZTL12F&15 is competitively priced. Anyways i see furuno geared more toward the mid sized to larger boat market but that now is all changing. Also they are very big on the commercial market. I believe the Government also still has Vx2 contract with them too still.

Simrad, Lowrance (They're both a Navico company) and Garmin seem to be in the same markets.

B&G, and Raymarine seem to rule the Sailing market.

Again this all IMO.
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I did get a Lowrance combination unit for our RIB. Its got a great fish finder on it.
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I did get a Lowrance combination unit for our RIB. Its got a great fish finder on it.

I also do, does what it's designed to do exceptionally good.
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I have a Garmin system built around a 5215 display. It works well and the software is user friendly. My only complaint is that I should have gone for the 7215 model. The screen redraw when scrolling the display on the 5215 is a little slow. The newer Garmins look pretty good also. I don't know what the Furuno does so much better that it makes the Garmin suitable for amateurs and day sailors only. I'm pretty sure Garmin, Raymarine, and Furuno all make a decent product.
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Sounds good, what kind of radar and UW lights are you putting in?
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I have a Garmin system built around a 5215 display. It works well and the software is user friendly. My only complaint is that I should have gone for the 7215 model. The screen redraw when scrolling the display on the 5215 is a little slow. The newer Garmins look pretty good also. I don't know what the Furuno does so much better that it makes the Garmin suitable for amateurs and day sailors only. I'm pretty sure Garmin, Raymarine, and Furuno all make a decent product.
It's all personal preference, glad you like your Garmin system. I'm happy with the three i have because they serve their purpose well.
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I use one on a bay boat and in most of my fishing spots (less than 10 ft of water) it is of little use. Nice offshore to find the relief of deeper reefs/scuttled oil platform shell pads and ledges/drop-offs in the passes. As far as navigational use/at anchor I don't see where it would be of value. Perhaps forward looking sonar if at dead slow would be useful. I would be interested in how one would use sidescan on a cruiser.
We only got it because the boss wanted it. Like a lot of owners I guess he got caught up in the latest/greatest game. It will make for interesting viewing while we are cruising I'm sure. But since we aren't going to be hunting for fishing spots I'm not sure of what real use it will be other than a novelty.

Although I guess it could help delineate the edge of a channel perhaps. Or to spot reef/rock patches in in dirty water.
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