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Old 10-27-2014, 03:52 PM   #61
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Well said Paul

AP is my friend and I know how to turn her on and off. I am alone often and I love boating. So I use my trawler. If I sat at home thinking of all the bad that that could happen or waiting for a second or third or maybe 6 crew members. I sell the boat and take up skydiving
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Old 10-27-2014, 04:04 PM   #62
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I had an AP on my previous boat but I didn't have Chris w me then.

But now that she is I don't miss it at all. But Willy is pleasant to steer. When it's calm I can (after a few corrections) establish a course that she will maintain for several minutes. Willy does "chine steer" so if I go out on the port side she'll turn a bit to stbd. Just like a kayak.

I agree w Scott that the helmsman is handicapped as a lookout.
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Old 10-27-2014, 04:19 PM   #63
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I use the auto all the time in the ICW....no crab pots, no grounding, no collisions...as I posted earlier....a person has to be smarter than the equipment they use...and know when not to use it...but it can be used a lot more if you know how to use it, when to use it and get comfortable with it...

Much like 3M 5200.....it's only as bad as you make it out to be....
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Old 10-27-2014, 04:37 PM   #64
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I use the auto all the time in the ICW....no crab pots, no grounding, no collisions...as I posted earlier....a person has to be smarter than the equipment they use...and know when not to use it...but it can be used a lot more if you know how to use it, when to use it and get comfortable with it...

Much like 3M 5200.....it's only as bad as you make it out to be....

I use the AP Follow up function which allows me to steer with the little know rather then the big wheel. Or if it's a long straight run I just follow a course and add increments to course change when needed.
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Old 10-27-2014, 04:54 PM   #65
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I'm with Scott on this one. I use the AutoPilot all the time, technically, even when docking the boat, since I'm using the Jog Lever, which tells the autopilot which angle to hold the rudder at. It's much easier than cranking that big wheel back and forth....
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:01 PM   #66
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thank you all that understand and are comfortable with APs....

....and so is the rest of the professional, informed world....the holdouts just haven't been there yet.

but then again I'm no gentleman as has been pointed out in the thread earlier....
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I'm with Scott on this one. I use the AutoPilot all the time, technically, even when docking the boat, since I'm using the Jog Lever, which tells the autopilot which angle to hold the rudder at. It's much easier than cranking that big wheel back and forth....

And your boat hasn't sunk or grounded!?!!?


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Old 10-27-2014, 05:13 PM   #68
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I hope you can understand that using an autopilot with other boats nearby is very dangerous. Using an autopilot on many portions of the AICW will have you grounded in no time. Using one in an area with crab or lobster pots will have your prop tangled in line pretty quickly.

Before you buy your boat, leave the dock and flip on the autopilot, I hope you will take the time to learn about boating and safe operation of your boat.
Good advice. Autopilots are great but can be dangerous when misused. I compare them in many ways to cruise control. Great on the open road but in tight traffic not so.

There are times the Autopilot is great by itself. Other times it should be off and hand steering. Then, in between, use it but keep hands on the wheel and be ready to take over at any moment. Most have the functionality to allow you to take back over instantly, some even refer to it as a "dodge" function.
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:18 PM   #69
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Good advice. Autopilots are great but can be dangerous when misused. I compare them in many ways to cruise control. Great on the open road but in tight traffic not so.

There are times the Autopilot is great by itself. Other times it should be off and hand steering. Then, in between, use it but keep hands on the wheel and be ready to take over at any moment. Most have the functionality to allow you to take back over instantly, some even refer to it as a "dodge" function.
I'll give you the nod on this but only because you are used to much greater speeds than the rest of us....at 6-8 knots like many here....driving without the AP even in traffic is tedious as you are travelling so slow.

Sure there are extremely crowded places and times on the ICW...but if you are in "your lane" so to speak...90% of the time you are SUPPOSED to keep course and speed...what better way than with the AP...just be ready to override it if someone else can't follow the rules of the road.

At 6-8 knots...there's very little that's "dangerous" in the ICW....at least for the experienced.

At 6 knots...it takes something like 10 seconds to go a bit over 100 feet (a bit over 2 boat lengths)...in 10 seconds, I can leave the flying bridge, head for the galley, grab a coke and be back at the main helm to disconnect the AP and steer around a buoy.

Dangerous???? Speed kills...but so do trawlers...they bore you to death if you are the helmsman.
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:26 PM   #70
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I'll give you the nod on this but only because you are used to much greater speeds than the rest of us....at 6-8 knots like many here....driving without the AP even in traffic is tedious as you are travelling so slow.

Sure there are extremely crowded places and times on the ICW...but if you are in "your lane" so to speak...90% of the time you are SUPPOSED to keep course and speed...what better way than with the AP...just be ready to override it if someone else can't follow the rules of the road.

At 6-8 knots...there's very little that's "dangerous" in the ICW....at least for the experienced.
I agree. But when at slow speeds in narrow or crowded areas still closer to being able to take the wheel than when 20 miles offshore with nothing in sight. On the ICW I wouldn't go below to use the head if traveling alone.

And you're right about tedious and difficult to maintain a straight line. Amazing when we think we're going perfectly straight how we're often going back and forth a little.

Using the autopilot doesn't mean you're not at the helm.
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:36 PM   #71
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I use the autopilot 90 percent of the time. It allows one to be more observant and less fatigued. When the situation warrants, Otto is relieved. ... Find the AP helpful even in twisting rivers/sloughs.

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Old 10-27-2014, 06:00 PM   #72
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I use the auto all the time in the ICW....no crab pots, no grounding, no collisions...as I posted earlier....a person has to be smarter than the equipment they use...and know when not to use it...but it can be used a lot more if you know how to use it, when to use it and get comfortable with it...

Much like 3M 5200.....it's only as bad as you make it out to be....
Obviously your experience and mine differ and you've had 40 years more on the water than I have but there are places on the ICW where following the channel on the plotter would have me travelling over land. I have also negotiated many "mine fields" of crab pot floats where it's impossible to travel in a straight line without hitting them and difficult to zig zag among them, even at seven knots.

There have been reported collisions where a boat on autopilot has run down an anchored or drifting boat and I personally have had a couple experiences on the water where I suspect the boat headed straight for me was on autopilot.

Yes, it's a tool but like any tool it should be used at the right time and place and carefully.
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Old 10-27-2014, 07:02 PM   #73
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That's all I ever said...in addition to that it CAN improve safety irf you know how to use it....

plus no one ever said leave it hooked to a chartplotter in the ICW...it will just follow a mag/true course once pointed (which IS the way I mostly use it)...

To even remotely infer that it can't or shouldn't be used a lot just shows the level of confidence a captain has in using a "tool"....one of many in their bag of tricks....
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If you use it for more than a couple of minutes on the AICW with no problems, well, you just might be one lucky SOB.
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If you use it for more than a couple of minutes on the AICW with no problems, well, you just might be one lucky SOB.
Not at all...very easy at slower speeds... certainly not at all times or in all places...

but.... as not only me but more than a couple have expressed here...and plenty of others that I know and have read about...it is certainly usable more than not if travelling at trawler speeds.

Lucky??? Nope..just know how to use the tools at our disposal...
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Do you use it going up the Napa River?
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My father was a professional mariner for over 50 years. Ship captain, San Francisco Bar Pilot. He always said that if you don't trust your instruments, throw them overboard. He, however, would never have used autopilot on the ICW. There is a place for everything. Most of the ICW, however, isn't. Just as easy to run aground at 6kts as 16. It's just that the landing is a little softer.
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Yes, every time.

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Old 10-27-2014, 07:44 PM   #79
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probably thought a sextant was cheating too....

plus my statements are about the AICW...not the Napa....
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So then you just plot a course on your chartplotter and interface to your autopilot?
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