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Old 06-13-2016, 04:28 PM   #81
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A Garmin 2010C plotter was (is) on the boat when we got it.
Garmin no longer supports this model, therefor no new or
updated charts available.
I don't think it is really old.
Does this sound like the problem with legacy engines of a certain manufacturer?

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That is a valid issue with several manufacturers, Garmin was the worst and may still be.....but of course that's a generalization and no more fact to back that up or any other comments so far about what is good or better.

My experience with installing eletronics on a mass scale is really now 12 years old, but people still call me to install theirs, I do mine and probably installed 30 suites or individuals of all brands in fleet boats for the last 2 companies that I worked for and is ongoing so I try to stay up with the market. The PC world of integrated electronics I do not have much experience in, but the basic box stuff.....enough to generalize.

Being on the inside for awhile gives you insights to an industry just like I will bet others here feel is important no matter what business you are in......sure I am not installing the latest and greatest but running many different boats every year means I am familiar with a lot of things that are mostly still on the showroom floors.

If slightly old experience is worthless, even when tempered with working in the marine field, then a whole lot of posting going on is baseless.....
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Old 06-13-2016, 05:09 PM   #82
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I need one more chart module to cover the BC coast. The other data
I'll need to get from books, will use paper charts as well.

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Old 06-13-2016, 05:20 PM   #83
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psneeld,
I'm close to your timing, just starting to learn some of the new electronics.
It's about 20 years since I quit commercial fishing and left boating, now I'm getting
back on the water, couldn't stay away----Saltwater Addiction!!!
I like products that can stand alone.

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I'm close to your timing, just starting to learn some of the new electronics.
It's about 20 years since I quit commercial fishing and left boating, now I'm getting
back on the water, couldn't stay away----Saltwater Addiction!!!
I like products that can stand alone.

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The funny thing...

Is I cruise about 500 hours a year and have been putting another 500 or more commercial vessels, but smaller ones, and mostly intracoastal......

And the electronics 20 years ago would almost be adequate, the stuff from 15 years ago....definitely adequate for what I do.

All boxes are better...but not to the point where I really give a dang...just is prettier, a little sharper, a little quicker....but most of all...I love that raster charts are so easy to use now.

Plus....the stuff in my experience is so reliable.stand alone isnt such a big deal anymore ....especially if you have some backup..
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We get you don't like Raymarine.

Your experience seems to be an extreme....juse pointing that out...could care less what you buy....

https://youtu.be/aEhBdIO7jfY
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No one is telling you to buy Raymarine and we get that....again...just on an open forum if you post something that others find not only not untrue in their eyes, but an extreme...then they might just post as I did. ...

Make your own video if you choose...the other one I posted is for general consumption if they are worried it's too cumbersome....
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If slightly old experience is worthless, even when tempered with working in the marine field, then a whole lot of posting going on is baseless.....
I get the feeling that my posts are annoying you.

You certainly don't care what I buy given the first quote and oh my experience is "extreme".

Next, I'm extreme in my assessment and "extreme" again...You do claim that this is an "open forum" thus I have to accept your comments...


Finally, you complain that my refusal to take an admittedly out of date (12 years is a long time in the world of electronics design, heck the iPhone is only 9 years old now!) "expert" experience as a reason to fold on my own personal personal Raymarine assessment... I guess the "open forum" thing only applies to my comments???

The sad thing is that before you decided to reprimand me I thought you had something to offer...

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I get the feeling that my posts are annoying you.
I don't know about psneeled but they are certainly annoying me! We got the message...you hate Raymarine!
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I just put a 12 inch Furuno tz touch 2 on the fly bridge of my Nordavn 43, and a 15 inch in the pilot house as well as a new solid state radar. Going to pull it off during the Fall yard period because I found out after the fact that Furuno no longer has Navionics charts in the US. One trip with Cmaps was enough! An expensive mistake!!!
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One trip with Cmaps was enough! An expensive mistake!!!
OK, tell us why
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My preference for Navionics may stem from familiarity, built up over many years. My other problem with Furuno is they have gotten rid of the auto course up setting I have always used. You have to go North up or put up with a wobbly chart. I am also annoyed they advertise it as being compatible with I pad, but that has not yet happened. I feel misled!
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A Garmin 2010C plotter was (is) on the boat when we got it.
Garmin no longer supports this model, therefor no new or
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I don't think it is really old.
Does this sound like the problem with legacy engines of a certain manufacturer?

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I'm equally pissed off with them
This boat i'm getting has an Garmin/interphase iscan 180 forward looking sonar which cost $5000 plus at the time
Head unit died just outside of warranty, couldn't be repaired and no compatible head units.
Now I have this useless junction box and wires, two holes in the bottom of the boat and transducers which apparently won't work with anything else.

New Koden/Sitex sounder going in when it comes out.
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So nothing wrong with CMaps then
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There may not be, but I prefer Navionics
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We have had electronics preferences and circumstances led to brands we didn't think we'd like and been very pleased. I think often it's familiarity. If you use the Cmaps a while leading up to the planned change, you may find by the time you get there, you've decided to save the money. They all are pretty compatible when what they do, just very different in how they do it. Once you've been exposed to a couple or three, then it just isn't a huge issue any more. Now, like you, I think their advertising is misleading.
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We have had electronics preferences and circumstances led to brands we didn't think we'd like and been very pleased. I think often it's familiarity. If you use the Cmaps a while leading up to the planned change, you may find by the time you get there, you've decided to save the money. They all are pretty compatible when what they do, just very different in how they do it. Once you've been exposed to a couple or three, then it just isn't a huge issue any more. Now, like you, I think their advertising is misleading.
Just to be clear, it is Furuno's advertising you are pointing to? I'm just curious as we haven't decided on electronics yet. I'm just trying to create a mental database to use at the boat shows when I do more research this fall.
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My preference for Navionics may stem from familiarity, built up over many years. My other problem with Furuno is they have gotten rid of the auto course up setting I have always used. You have to go North up or put up with a wobbly chart. I am also annoyed they advertise it as being compatible with I pad, but that has not yet happened. I feel misled!

Interesting. We have the older NAVNet3 system (not Touch) and don't seem to have the same problems.

Partly because if we put it into Course Up mode (or Head Up, or North Up) it stays there until/unless we change it.

Partly because I'm fine with either NOAA or CMap vector charts. On the plotter, we just use the (free) NOAA S57s around here when select vector charts, although we have CMap charts on the tablets. (Actually, we almost always use the NOAA raster charts instead, though.) No wobble, in any of those modes.

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Just to be clear, it is Furuno's advertising you are pointing to? I'm just curious as we haven't decided on electronics yet. I'm just trying to create a mental database to use at the boat shows when I do more research this fall.
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They aren't as transparent as I'd like to see regarding Navionics. I still like their product, just they should be clear and explain why.
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I don't see how your personal preference for one chart set vs another rises to the level of publicly bashing the product both on this forum as well as the manufacturer's forum.

Perhaps you should have done more homework before installing not one but two MFD's that are both contrary to your noted chart set preference.
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I don't see how your personal preference for one chart set vs another rises to the level of publicly bashing the product both on this forum as well as the manufacturer's forum.

Perhaps you should have done more homework before installing not one but two MFD's that are both contrary to your noted chart set preference.
Do you have a relationship with the manufacturer?
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Do you have a relationship with the manufacturer?
I have no idea who either of these people are but I actually believe the point Trawlerdude made is interesting.
We have all purchased "things" that don't live up to our expectations, haven't we? Whenever I spend a good amount of money on something, I try to do whatever I can to learn about it before I commit. This post is a perfect example. I'm trying my best to learn what I can about the various products before I plunk down our money.
If I purchase a red car with an automatic it is silly for me to complain about lack of a manual gearbox...at least it seems that way to me.

My run with Raymarine is a different example of being disappointed. I'd owned the companies products before. I liked the basic functionality and I'd had good experience with their customer service. Fast forward 8 years, three course computers, 2 drive replacements, 2 radars, a failed set of plotters and way, way, way more time on the phone waiting for support later and I have a very different reason to be unhappy. Once again, for the record, our current Raymarine gear and support under Flir's watch is working perfectly and has demonstrated none of the strange behavior of the earlier Ray gear, I'm sure it is fine. I'm just not going to jump back into that bed again.

As to the whole Navionics vs CMap vs ?? I don't know how to consider that information. Again, having lived with Navionics vector charts for a bunch of years I am familiar with this component. I've found enough dangerous chart mistakes in vector charts that I have a healthy respect for paper charts! I like my chart plotters to be accurate first, I'll find marinas and services on my own.

I really have no idea what equipment we will end up with yet. We will head to the Annapolis boat show this fall to do research and decide then. I will certainly be asking questions I wouldn't have known to ask as a result of this thread.
For that I am grateful!
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The Internet is great for learning about items such as boat electronics from other users.

The folks on this group appear to be long-range cruisers and heavy users of their radar, so I do follow most people's comments fairly closely as I am also Considering a major electronics upgrade.

I am on several other forms, and Have witnessed major bashing from people who barely know how to run a radar and the nuances involved. That is unfair to the manufacturer.
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