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Old 06-18-2014, 01:48 PM   #21
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Did Smart Plug ever get UL and ABYC approval? Last I heard they had both refused to approve the design??

There were a couple of Smart Plug failures resulting in melt downs a couple of months ago that brought this all to a head. As I recall there was a problem with the plastic cable binding device in the boat end of the plug. And from that it was determined that the plug design was not UL approved.
Great question and if it is not UL approved the inlets and cords are going back to the distributor. I'll find out and in the mean time I would appreciate it if anyone else finds out they post the UL Certification or link here.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:50 PM   #22
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:13 PM   #23
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That is what their website has said all along. . .

It implies they meet UL and ABYC standards, but I just looked at it again and it still doesn't show a UL approval logo on their website, just an ETL approval. A local insurance agent did a little digging after one of their devices melted down and found some interesting information . . . No UL approval.

Go back to the previous discussion on Trawler Forum, below, and you can read the background behind the discussion.

Melt Down Anybody??
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:26 PM   #24
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It wouldn't be the first time tech passed muster (certification) until enough failures pulled their certs.

Of course smart plug stated off with the 90 degree plug concept that blows the old design away by a mile...

Sad that what we are left with suffers from way less than perfect performance...old and new.
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The smart plug can't be UL approved because it isn't listed on NEMA WD-6. Since it isn't on WD-6, it isn't complaint with NFPA, 70, NEC, Article 555.

Has nothing to do with quality or suitability. It just doesn't meet to the letter an inflexible standard.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:05 PM   #26
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Well I'm sending mine back. I'm not saying this isn't a better connector than the current 30A standard but I'm not dealing with any potential insurance issues. We all should know that the current 30A inlets are the number 1 cause of fires on boats.
I'll just stay with Hubbel and change them out every 3 years like I did on my Mainship.
I had a 30A main breaker fail 2 winters ago while I was on my Mainship it was due to resistance that probably grew from moisture on the breakers surface that eventually allowed arching. I replaced both main 30A breakers after the one side failed.
The connections were tight, in addition the Mainship 40SB has transome mounted dual 30A breakers they did not trip and neither did the pedestal's breakers when this happened.

Just a note about the Intertek ETL they are the worlds largest independent testing and certification lab so it's not like Joe Scmoh tested this connector system.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:14 PM   #27
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Cpt Bligh, I had the black ring one time crossthreaded and it was very difficult to remove. Finally resorted to a pair of slip pliers and I got it loose. Did not replace it just was more carefull putting it on. Good luck.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:19 PM   #28
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Well I'm sending mine back. I'm not saying this isn't a better connector than the current 30A standard but I'm not dealing with any potential insurance issues. We all should know that the current 30A inlets are the number 1 cause of fires on boats.
Talk to your insurer first. Many of them enthusiastically approve of the smart plug and will give a discount for the first year with proof of installation.

They are OEM on a lot of new construction boats.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:47 PM   #29
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I would like to know what the percentage of boats wired for both is...AC inlets could be a lot higher...just not sure how high....

Virtually every cabin boat fire I have been associated with was with an outlet/appliance connection.
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You have to unscrew the round black plastic piece first.
If the cover is pulled back as it seems to be in the picture, the black ring is not holding on to anything so the plug should come out whether the ring is still attached to the socket or not.
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Cpt Bligh, I had the black ring one time crossthreaded and it was very difficult to remove. Finally resorted to a pair of slip pliers and I got it loose. Did not replace it just was more carefull putting it on. Good luck.
Roger, I dont think I cross threaded it. I completely forgot it was there retaining the plug! That's why it wouldn't come off. DOH!
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Installed smartplugs a year ago. Excellent product, no more melting cords. Easy enough to install.


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I completely forgot it was there retaining the plug! That's why it wouldn't come off. DOH!
If it makes you feel any better, you are not the first (and probably not the last) to do that. I speak from experience. :-)
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Talk to your insurer first. Many of them enthusiastically approve of the smart plug and will give a discount for the first year with proof of installation.

They are OEM on a lot of new construction boats.
I already sent them back and am getting a credit. I have a few Hubbel inlets that were spares. Having just sold and cleaned out my Mainship I can't believe the treasure trove of electronics, battery switches, ACR's, DC battery cabling, plugs, antenna mounts, short mast extensions, marine grade connectors and buss bars. Even a couple of spare bilge pumps were recovered.
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I already sent them back and am getting a credit. I have a few Hubbel inlets that were spares. Having just sold and cleaned out my Mainship I can't believe the treasure trove of electronics, battery switches, ACR's, DC battery cabling, plugs, antenna mounts, short mast extensions, marine grade connectors and buss bars. Even a couple of spare bilge pumps were recovered.
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Why am I not surprised.
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Roger, I dont think I cross threaded it. I completely forgot it was there retaining the plug! That's why it wouldn't come off. DOH!
Oh, that's easily fixed.

Just drop your mooring lines and back the boat out, believe me the cord comes off pretty quick.

It's also a pretty good way to check the shore power trip switch is working.
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Why am I not surprised.
Perhaps the NMPG have gotten better on the Mainship since I removed West Marine (East warehouse) from my old boat?
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You have to unscrew the round black plastic piece first.
Yep, you do.
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50 amp (only) seems to be becoming more popular at transient slips. Some places loan adapters, some force you to rent them on top of their already outrageous electric fee............
They don't force me, I own my own adapter.
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Yep, you do.

And? That was established along time ago......
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