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03-10-2016, 09:43 PM
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City: Duvall, Wa. USA
Vessel Name: Beach Music II
Vessel Model: 2003 Mainship 430 Trawler
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Camera
Can anyone recommend a stand alone camera system (not part of a chartplotter) for my lower helm station? I want to be able to see if any boats are coming up behind me.
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03-11-2016, 06:06 AM
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For about $125 the 18 wheel trucks use a pair of cameras that record as well as view the scene.
NOT waterproof , mount out of rain and sea wash only.
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03-11-2016, 06:28 AM
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City: North Carolina for now
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Isn't that a radar on the mast in the OP's avatar?
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03-11-2016, 07:30 AM
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City: Jacksonville
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
Isn't that a radar on the mast in the OP's avatar?
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Your point?
Try monitoring a cluttered radar screen in the ICW or other close quarters during a weekend day.
I too am installing two cameras, one looking aft and one for the ER.
Would you rather have a radar monitoring what is coming up from behind - or a radar and camera?
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03-11-2016, 07:38 AM
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City: Duvall, Wa. USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
Isn't that a radar on the mast in the OP's avatar?
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Like Menzies said, I would like to see what's happening behind me rather than rely on radar. There are a lot of small fast express cruisers and fishing boats on Puget Sound that don't show up well on radar.
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03-11-2016, 07:51 AM
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City: San Diego
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
I too am installing two cameras, one looking aft and one for the ER.
Would you rather have a radar monitoring what is coming up from behind - or a radar and camera?
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03-11-2016, 08:48 AM
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City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
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Search for back-up cameras on Amazon. Tons of choices.
I got a monitor and two infra-red capable cameras, one for the ER, the other I think I'll mount looking aft. I also bought a wireless adapter so I don't need snake a wire from the flybridge down to the ER.
I haven't yet had a chance to play with them, but for very short money I figure if it helps even a little it'll be worth it. Here's what I got:
I have no clue why Amazon split it into two orders. They do that sometimes.
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03-11-2016, 10:12 AM
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City: Meydenbauer Bay Yacht Club
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I dislike proprietary hardware solutions, and wifi for security cameras on a boat is not ideal for a variety of reasons including bandwidth and connectivity.
Here's an example from just this week - I grabbed this helm shot and expected to have my ER image (WiFi) on the laptop. It was there seconds before I snapped the image but...
It came back 30 seconds later. I really need to cable that cam.
Keith
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03-11-2016, 10:45 AM
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City: North Carolina for now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
Your point?
Try monitoring a cluttered radar screen in the ICW or other close quarters during a weekend day.
I too am installing two cameras, one looking aft and one for the ER.
Would you rather have a radar monitoring what is coming up from behind - or a radar and camera?
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I have tried it, many many times. Including on a Mainship 430 (nice boat, btw) as a matter of fact. For me radar makes it easier to determine how far away they are and what speed they are proceeding at. Not to mention the fact when night falls or fog settles in you have a much better feel for what the radar is telling you.
If your helm doesn't have good visibility, or you want to see what the heck that is back there, an occasional look out the door does the trick. When it came to buying a boat, good all around visibility from both helms was an absolute must for us. If you feel you need cameras because your boat has poor visibility, go right ahead. But consider for a moment 1) adding to all the other electronic input you are now faced with processing.. beware of TMI! 2) the point at the end of the first paragraph.
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03-11-2016, 05:26 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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Some boats have great radar...others have the bare essential.
For some, their radar may be OK for picking out targets in open water...but with lower gain (even auto gain) in crowded areas lessening sensitivity...nothing like a quick visual.
Shame to have to spend the money....but if it makes some feel comfy...that has been an overriding theme for most rec guys...be comfy or be gone from the boating scene.
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03-11-2016, 05:28 PM
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City: Jacksonville
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Some boats have great radar...others have the bare essential.
For some, their radar may be OK for picking out targets in open water...but with lower gain (even auto gain) in crowded areas lessening sensitivity...nothing like a quick visual.
Shame to have to spend the money....but if it makes some feel comfy...that has been an overriding theme for most rec guys...be comfy or be gone from the boating scene.
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Comfy, or increased safety?
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03-11-2016, 07:06 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
Comfy, or increased safety?
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your call...for me comfy...I have alternative methods to cameras and radar...plus what is behind me is of the lowest priority.
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03-11-2016, 07:07 PM
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City: Melbourne, FL
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Depending on the budget, there are cheap ones, and then there are good ones.
I have experience with mostly good ones. If it were me, I would install a mobotix Q25 or M25.
If you had a covered cockpit, the Q25 would be perfect since it sees 360 degrees all around. Not only could you see behind you, but all of the cockpit, as well as port / starboard and if mounted on the aft edge of the ceiling, it could cover the swim platform too.
That would also be a GREAT engine room camera as well. Rather than having several cameras pointing in different directions, mount one 360 degree camera where it can see the gauges and switch settings and you're done.
https://www.mobotix.com/eng_US/content/view/full/225009
You would need a POE source to feed Power over Ethernet to the cameras, and then hook the cameras into your router. Then any Ethernet device can see the cameras.
The M25 is a high resolution fixed point IP camera where the Q25 is a 360 degree camera. The M15 has both B/W and Color cameras so you have very good quality in low light levels, since it switches to B/W at night. It also works well with IR Illuminators too.
https://www.mobotix.com/eng_US/content/view/full/225607
These are not your vanilla cameras, but have a full linux system running inside and can record to local memory, or send email notifications with images or video. They have circular queues so you can set a trigger and start recording several seconds before the trigger occurred.
You can set trip lines where anything that moves will generate an event, with images or email, but that means you need to have access to internet.
I am not affiliated with Mobotix, but have used their cameras in several projects.
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03-11-2016, 07:23 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
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I mostly rely on the stern-facing windows of the pilothouse (one of my "must haves.")
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03-11-2016, 09:23 PM
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City: SEWARD ALASKA
Vessel Name: DOS PECES
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
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$79.00 Amazon.com Dlink camera.
This is a live shot. I'm 150 miles from the boat, but of course it works just as well (actually better) when I'm onboard.
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03-11-2016, 09:26 PM
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City: SEWARD ALASKA
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This is a live shot of my engine room.
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03-11-2016, 09:30 PM
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City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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Just get some large truck side mirrors. And no, I'm not kidding.
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03-11-2016, 09:48 PM
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City: Melbourne, FL
Join Date: Dec 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.Bill11
Just get some large truck side mirrors. And no, I'm not kidding.
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Haven't we been here before?
Here is a remote image from an older Mobotix Q12 camera.
Compare the clarity
This camera was hung from a support beam about 18 feet over the concrete.
The bottom half image is one 180 degree view, and the top half is the other 180 degree view. You can create separate views of any part of the image, with higher resolution.
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03-12-2016, 06:05 AM
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City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stubones99
Haven't we been here before?
Here is a remote image from an older Mobotix Q12 camera.
Compare the clarity
This camera was hung from a support beam about 18 feet over the concrete.
The bottom half image is one 180 degree view, and the top half is the other 180 degree view. You can create separate views of any part of the image, with higher resolution.
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That's one hell of a lazarette you have there!
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03-12-2016, 07:20 AM
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City: North Charleston, SC
Join Date: Sep 2010
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I'm thinking it was a serious question and deserves a serious answer. I have been thinking the same thing, a rear facing video camera and display would be a good safety feature.
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