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Old 12-04-2014, 01:12 PM   #21
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Not sure about that. If it was under her own power, the operator could have goosed it, OR reversed it. Under tow has a unique issue.... No reverse ability!
A boat that size doesn't exactly have a "goose" feature. There wasn't time to do anything.
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:21 PM   #22
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A boat that size doesn't exactly have a "goose" feature. There wasn't time to do anything.
However - Under own power probably would have been traveling at different speed, faster/doubtfully-slower... therefore, missing the whole event!

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Old 12-04-2014, 01:24 PM   #23
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However - Under own power probably would have been traveling at different speed, faster/doubtfully-slower... therefore, missing the whole event!

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That's like saying had they gotten an earlier start...of course if they'd arrived at a different time it might not have happened to them. Maybe the next fortunate boat would have gotten it.
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:28 PM   #24
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Just the bad luck of the draw....no pun intended.
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:25 PM   #25
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A boat that size doesn't exactly have a "goose" feature. There wasn't time to do anything.

The goose feature is more related to the difference in handling from a towing vessel, versus her own propulsion.

A typical 'tug' has a speed of about 10 knots. Towing is usually a lot less. That particular vessel is probably capable of 20. Not that you would do that in a bridge, but it's a lot quicker response on its own than from a towing vessel.

Wonder why she wasn't under her own power? Seems odd to tow a boat like that around. Even on one engine with the thruster she'd be more maneuverable on her own.
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:25 PM   #26
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....Wonder why she wasn't under her own power? Seems odd to tow a boat like that around. Even on one engine with the thruster she'd be more maneuverable on her own.
Good question but it seems a pretty common around Miami and Fort Lauderdale. RickB posted a video of a big tow a few years ago. Here's another one.

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Old 12-04-2014, 04:35 PM   #27
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Reminds me of a 250' oil barge and tug in the Nantucket Harbor Stockade. Bowsprits, swim platforms and lawsuits!
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:50 PM   #28
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Larry - WHY?? No skipper good enough to handle big boat in close quarters?


GEEEEZZZZ - No money lives around those canals! - LOL, LOL
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:15 PM   #30
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It's very typical for the yacht to get towed around, as Larry said. Local towing companies make a killing.
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Old 12-05-2014, 05:57 AM   #31
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Wow, fascinating video, thanks.
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:27 AM   #32
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The girl in n the beginning of that video setting up the camera is a friend of mine. She is/was the engineer on that boat.

Most any boat over about 110' or so gets towed up or down the New River in Ft. Lauderdale. whether it is capable of moving under its own power or not. The cost of a tow is in most cases much less than the cost to repair any damage if the vessel encountered a problem while transiting the river.
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:36 AM   #33
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And then there's this. Gave me white knuckles when driving the boss' new 54 Bertram sportfisher up the Miami river for the first time.

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Old 12-05-2014, 07:50 AM   #34
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Interesting they tow them stern-first.
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:05 AM   #35
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A few Years ago we went our friends on a Broward I think a 105 it got towed up the new river not nearly this far

I so with I had taken videos but I just watched with my mouth wide open
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:10 AM   #36
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Wonder if it is because they can pivot the bow easier for sharp turns?

.....but in all the towing I have ever done, it's mostly because that's the way the object could be started to to the easiest.

Hopefully Sailor of Fortune will chime in.
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:08 AM   #37
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Interesting they tow them stern-first.
Seems two items to me

1. Maybe too long to turn it around
2. Tug to rear of tow direction has better line of sight via sharp bow in its view plane

Reminds me of FDP hook and ladder trucks.


I'd sweat bullets as captain of either tug. One slight error could cost a Million Buck$$$ +/-! They're moving that emense floating tonnage along at a pretty good clip.
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:24 AM   #38
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With tows you can maneuver either end of the boat as needed and more easily maintain distance even against wind and current plus make the "impossible" turns. The maneuverability of a 164' in a 120' wide canal isn't like at 40' in the same canal. In Fort Lauderdale, Dania Cut and New River require it but so do a couple of shorter canals. In addition to bridges, these canals also have traffic. When there's another boat coming in your direction just around the bend it gets even trickier. I've never handled a 164 but I have handled a 130 in canals there. I compare having the tows at bow and stern to having some form of super 1000 hp bow and stern thrusters that you don't have any worry about keeping on for an hour, no overheating.
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Bradford Marine in Fort Lauderdale where I work has our own tow boats and they charge around $1,000 to tow a yacht up and down the New River.
Not long ago I was taking some clients to look at some boats and their captain was with us. He was asking why other captains were using tow boats. I asked his boss what the deductible was on the boat he currently owned and was told $50,000 deductible, which explained the use of tow boats.
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I spent a week at a shipyard on the Miami River getting a boat ready for sea. Right there with all that traffic going by. Entertaining to say the least!!!

One ship loaded with nothing but wrecked japanese cars. One stacked high with used matresses. One stacked with used bicycles. Tugboats on each end. Laundry hanging off pilothouse rails. Banana plants in pots around pilothouse. And that is just bits of what I remember watching them ten years ago.

The bridge abutments show plenty of evidence that the tugs do screw up occasionally. Lots of damage and lots of tranferred paint of different colors. Or maybe that was vessels that did not use the tugs!!!
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