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Old 12-05-2010, 02:12 PM   #21
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RE: Battery Charger

I had big boats for years with everything electric and big generators to match. I was one of those guys, at Catalina for instance, that ran his generator all day and night and pissed most everyone off in the anchorage/mooring field. I was comfortable--they were not. Having escaped this method of boating with my skin still in tact and no delinquent damage to my boat(s), I opted for a propane stove, no A/C* (Don't need it in San Diego)
a small 110v refrigerator, a 110v small thin screen TV, an ice-maker and 4 receptacles (also 110v). Using an electric fry pan on occasion and my wife's 900Watt hair drier, and most importantly learning how to manage our power requirements, we now exist with a 3000 watt inverter and no generator and can go for a long weekend without having to run the engine to charge everything back up. It's amazing how many more invitations we get for raft-ups from our friends in the sailing community. This configuration (smaller boat and less"stuff) has enhanced our boating experience. We no longer try and take "our house" with us. (If we were live aboards, however, we would want the "house" back.)


Our favorite spots on the boat:

1)* Saloon
2) Innerspring Mattress
3) Ice maker
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:36 PM   #22
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RE: Battery Charger

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SeaHorse II wrote:Our favorite spots on the boat:

1)* Saloon
2) Innerspring Mattress
3) Ice maker
4) Galley
5) Cockpit
We have 1), 4) and 5) as well a comfy flybridge.

My wife wants 2). I'd want 3), if I could find a place to put it, but I really don't need it.

After 22 years with a solely DC system boat, we now have a boat with a generator, 3000 watt inverter and shore power hook up ability. But, in two years we have been on shore power once (we are either on a mooring or at anchor) and we rarely use the generator.

The boat also came with AC/reverse cycle heat that you need the gen or shore power to use. Most definitely don't need the AC. We need the heat but the seawater here is often too cold for gettin heat out of this system. So, I want diesel fired heat. (more boat $$$).

Reefer is a Norcold AC/DC that uses more battery juice than it's worth. Propane reefer sounds interesting.






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Old 12-05-2010, 04:20 PM   #23
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I'm with you on the ice maker, and don't have one for the same reason. However, I've found that just for drinks, we just pick up a bag every once in awhile, and it lasts long enough*in the freezer. In rare cases we have 8 ice trays on board, which will keep you in drink ice forever as long as you refill one when you empty it. 4 would probably do.

Now if you're icing down fish or bait, that's a different story.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:50 PM   #24
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Red wine and straight booze are "energy efficient."**They don't*need refrigeration, just protection from temperature extremes.* Beer, white wine, and mixed drinks are not.
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I've found that just for drinks, we just pick up a bag every once in awhile, and it lasts long enough*in the freezer.
Freezer! Now there's another thing for my wish list. And the space to fit it in a 32' boat.

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Red wine and straight booze are "energy efficient."**They don't*need refrigeration, just protection from temperature extremes.* Beer, white wine, and mixed drinks are not.
For me, room temp red wine, or whiskey, neat works great. But...the admiral requires ice for her Gin and Tonic. Fortunately, Marin's wife Ruth is of the same mind, and they can make ice.*

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Old 12-05-2010, 07:57 PM   #27
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dwhatty wrote:I'd want 3), if I could find a place to put it, (Ice maker)
Dave:* There are times when we need a freezer more than the ice maker. When
that happens, we remove the ice bucket from the ice maker and push the wire
feeler arm up and it turns into a freezer. ( a small one) We then throw a bag of ice
in the cooler & we are good to go.


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Old 12-05-2010, 08:10 PM   #28
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Dave:* There are times when we need a freezer more than the ice maker. When
that happens, we remove the ice bucket from the ice maker and push the wire
feeler arm up and it turns into a freezer. ( a small one) We then throw a bag of ice
in the cooler & we are good to go.



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That idea works great for going to the Bahamas where groceries are spotty and expensive.* When the frozen food is gone, we turn the ice maker off.* When hanging on the hook or mooring ball, it is the biggest drain of battery power on the boat.** Even at the four dollar a bag price of ice in the*Bahamas**
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Raft ups!* You provide the TV/DVD player and "Perfect Storm" and I'll*come with popcorn.
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I'm with you on the ice maker, and don't have one for the same reason. However, I've found that just for drinks, we just pick up a bag every once in awhile, and it lasts long enough*in the freezer. In rare cases we have 8 ice trays on board, which will keep you in drink ice forever as long as you refill one when you empty it. 4 would probably do.

Now if you're icing down fish or bait, that's a different story.
*Nothing worse than 4 hours left to run* and just 45 minutes of ice left!
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I'm with you on the ice maker, and don't have one for the same reason. However, I've found that just for drinks, we just pick up a bag every once in awhile, and it lasts long enough*in the freezer. In rare cases we have 8 ice trays on board, which will keep you in drink ice forever as long as you refill one when you empty it. 4 would probably do.

Now if you're icing down fish or bait, that's a different story.
*Nothing worse than 4 hours left to run* and just 45 minutes of ice left!

*You don't mean that you adulterate that good JD with frozen water?
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*You don't mean that you adulterate that good JD with frozen water?
*The Gentleman Jack comes out when the anchor is down and all is secure!* Ahhhhh!
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:45 PM   #33
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RE: Battery Charger

The main fridge on my boat is a 3 way propane unit. It works very well keeping things cool especially with the additional 12v muffin fan to help vent the heat out from the coils - I run this fan constantly when the fridge is on, it uses less than .1 amps. The fridge is installed per ABYC with proper pan and 'drain' overboard. I carry 3ea. 20# propane cylinders which last the entire summer, also cooking and heating water with propane. Just had a full, out of water insurance survey last May and everyone is happy.

Additionally, I have a WAECO 12v/120v Danfoss cooled 'freezer/refer' which is kept on the cockpit during the summer's cruise, usually 60 days. We run this on 'freezer' mode and pack it with less expensive food from the states before venturing into B.C. where all food is more $$. As we use the food, the empty space is filled with ice cubes for drinks etc. The freezer is pretty big at 2.8 cu. ft. and this unit will consume around 80-100 amp hours at 12v.


So, we have both cooling methods aboard - 'scary' propane and electric - both do a great job keeping the ice cream cold.


On the original posters question on battery charger size, you need to determine what the normal daily amp hour use is on board. This will tell you exactly how long your house bank can get you before needing a recharge.

Whether you recharge with your main engine alternator, or a genset or solar panels or windmills is a different question and requires some thought on how you actually use your boat while cruising.

In our case, we may be dockside during the 60 day summer cruise 3 or 4 nights, so it is important to me that we can live on the hook for a long time. Actually my house bank is sized to allow up to 6 nights at the same anchorage before needing to initiate a recharge cycle. I don't have a genset, instead the engine alternator is a large frame 200A unit that does a super job of replacing used amps in a surprisingly short period. Since we drive the boat anyway, why not use the main motor to recharge the bank?

In practice, we often stay 2 nights at the same anchorage, and regularly 3 nights, but have not yet stayed more than that. I suspect the holding tank would fill up before 6 days would pass anyway.

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Old 11-28-2011, 11:04 AM   #34
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What most people neglect to look at is how a particular charger works, if it is a cheap analog style with a fixed absorption time then you can run the risk of chronically under charging because the amps are reduced in the absorption phase and you might not replace the required amount. the best chargers are fully adjustable but cost more.
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RE: Battery Charger

Has anyone used the Fischer Panda DC generator? It seems that with the reliable efficient inverters we have there is no neeed to generate AC unless you have*air conditioning*or an electric stove.

http://fischerpanda.com/marinegen/dc-generators

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Old 12-01-2011, 04:14 AM   #36
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Many of the most modern small units create DC and invert it as required.

For cruising boaters I have long been a proponent of using a big (say 4000W) inverter and a 200A -300A DC alternator on both the main engine and on the noisemaker.

Biggest advantage is 200A-300A of DC will be the most rapid charge rate for a LARGE house bank.

For real silence enthusiasts it might even justify AGM batts to lower the charge time even more.

With light loads the noisemaker RPM would be low (and the noise) , but the engine would be fully loaded for that RPM, increasing engine service life , and burning fuel more efficiently.


Small Honda gas units work this way for years.
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What is the big deal with running a genset for an hour or*two a day? One gallon of fuel burned per day, c'mon. If you really want to be quiet get a 24' O'Day sail boat and a cooler.
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:55 AM   #38
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What is the big deal with running a genset for an hour or two a day?

The cost is far beyond the gallon of fuel the noise and stench for the other boaters to enjoy.

The price of the noisemaker , its installation and replacement as well as routine and emergency maint must be considered.

All this adds up to weight and far too many extra tasks for the joy of ice cream.

Esp when it can be had for a month for $12 tank of propane, in silence.
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Looks like I am going to have to revive this thread. *My Xantrex 40 amp charger seems to have packed it in. *It will not go into float mode. *What is the best (and why) 50 to 60 amp 3 bank charger that can be programed *for flooded and AGM batteries? *I have looked at the Promariner 60 amp, but know nothing about them.
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Looks like I am going to have to revive this thread. *My Xantrex 40 amp charger seems to have packed it in. *It will not go into float mode. *What is the best (and why) 50 to 60 amp 3 bank charger that can be programed *for flooded and AGM batteries? *I have looked at the Promariner 60 amp, but know nothing about them.
Are you sure your batteries are all ok and you have nothing drawing on the batteries?* Light left on somewhere maybe?*

If they are flooded cells, turn the charger and batteries off, then check each cell with a hydrometer.* Be sure and double check the*switches on the charger, that it didnt get bumped.* I've done that more than once.

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