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Old 04-29-2014, 09:39 PM   #21
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+1 Variables in fuels places. Our shop used to have 3 30k gallon tanks (off-road,on road, gas) they were just fine but after a regulation law came out that required them to be double walled we had rip them out and chose to go with 3 2500 gallon above ground tanks since it was cheaper and met our needs a booming days have passed. It would of cost 900,000 to replace the in ground ones when above ground if memory serves 250,000.

And between taking the tanks out of the ground you have to have test wells drilled. After 25 plus years fuel has seeped into the ground which means you have to haul out all the contaminated fill which you have to dispose of which also costs money and put new fill in which also costs money. 100k later the ground was better with the city.
In many areas now you even have to post a bond or show proof of insurance to cover remediation and clean up in the future.

At home we get filled by a fuel barge but the majority of our fuel purchases aren't at home. As we're 3000 miles by land and 8000 by water from home right now, a bit far to go for fuel.
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Few years ago, MD added a marine fuel tax which raised everyone's price and then they added state sales tax on top of that. Now I know what you're thinking,"they're taxing a state tax". Nope, the state comptroller's office said they weren't.

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Old 04-29-2014, 09:47 PM   #23
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In many areas now you even have to post a bond or show proof of insurance to cover remediation and clean up in the future.



At home we get filled by a fuel barge but the majority of our fuel purchases aren't at home. As we're 3000 miles by land and 8000 by water from home right now, a bit far to go for fuel.

Yeah, thankfully 50 million+ gallons later we never had a serious incident that required a clean up or goto insurance, looking in hindsight that's pretty good. Just takes common sense.
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Yeah, thankfully 50 million+ gallons later we never had a serious incident that required a clean up or goto insurance, looking in hindsight that's pretty good. Just takes common sense.
But still the remediation took $100,000. Now had one person just done one really stupid thing along the way, could have been much more.
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But still the remediation took $100,000. Now had one person just done one really stupid thing along the way, could have been much more.

Yeah, guess were lucky the contamination in the ground that had to be cleared was stuff we knew was there it's just something you can't avoid as it happens slowly over time.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:54 PM   #26
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In SC it is 3.79 / Gallon. off road diesel the pink stuff. This is cheaper than you can get in a gas station in NC. Or fuel up where ever the commercial guys do and pay cash.
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The chain gas retailers are usually owned by company with an oil distributorship. This cuts out a mark up along the way. They don't like providing restrooms, but they bring people into their store. This is where the big markups are made. The fuel is priced for a few cents per gallon for the retailer and a larger markup for the distributor part of the company.

Marinas on the other hand are small volume fuel retailers in an environmentally sensitive area. I don't care for paying higher prices per fuel, but I can understand the marina needing to make more markup. Besides I have paid near $7.00/gal. in the Bahamas. In the area I am in now the street price and marina prices are within 10 cents per gallon. That's not too bad.
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The chain gas retailers are usually owned by company with an oil distributorship. This cuts out a mark up along the way. They don't like providing restrooms, but they bring people into their store. This is where the big markups are made. The fuel is priced for a few cents per gallon for the retailer and a larger markup for the distributor part of the company.

Marinas on the other hand are small volume fuel retailers in an environmentally sensitive area. I don't care for paying higher prices per fuel, but I can understand the marina needing to make more markup. Besides I have paid near $7.00/gal. in the Bahamas. In the area I am in now the street price and marina prices are within 10 cents per gallon. That's not too bad.
The large convenience stores and gas stations don't need much markup when they're filling hundreds of cars a day, all self service. And while there are big profits inside, don't underestimate their fuel profits either.
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$0.519 x 3.78 = 5.74 Canadian for a US gallon of regular gas. Plus the Canadian dollar is about 0.90 US. Stop bitching.
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$0.519 x 3.78 = 5.74 Canadian for a US gallon of regular gas. Plus the Canadian dollar is about 0.90 US. Stop bitching.
So converting to US $ that's about $5.17. Of course US varies a lot by state but none that high. And then Canadians have no reason to complain compared to Europeans.
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I bet, XSbank meant $1.519 per Canadian Liter ... eh?

It used to be a much bigger difference in fuel prices between USA and Canada. Nowadays it hardly pays to go across the river to get the "cheap" fuel.
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I bet, XSbank meant $1.519 per Canadian Liter ... eh?

It used to be a much bigger difference in fuel prices between USA and Canada. Nowadays it hardly pays to go across the river to get the "cheap" fuel.
Assuming so....
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Diesel in Sydney was well over $2 a litre at marinas, $2.30 some places, then Baileys set up in Darling Harbour. Last price I paid, around $1.66, compares with road fuel stations around $1.61. Essentially self service, open 24/7,pay by CC or EFT, you need a Bailey`s member card to use it, you jump through some hoops, watch 4 short videos and answer questions, and agree to spill cleanup costs you cause. It lowered other suppliers prices, but not as much. Lots of commercial users = good throughput.
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:39 AM   #34
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Yes, $1.519/ litre. It must have been the second litre of beer...which is currently $3.98/ litre at the Government rip store.
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Yes, $1.519/ litre. It must have been the second litre of beer...which is currently $3.98/ litre at the Government rip store.
So why is it everyone complains about he cost of fuel but not about the cost of beer?
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On the East coast @ St. Augustine the best fuel stop is
Inlet Marina – St. Augustine, FL

We all got together and bought a truck load @ Boot Key for $3.46 last winter.
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:30 AM   #37
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Paying cash was mentioned above and is certainly a way of saving money. I guess is practical depending on size of tank. But for those purchasing 1000 gallons or more, is it really a practical solution to carry that amount of cash around? I know in business we had cargo planes that occasionally flew to Europe and we did withdraw adequate cash and give it to the pilots for those trips since that was the required method of payment, but sending pilots with $100,000 of cash was a bit unsettling. And as a pleasure boater on a long cruise, I'm also very hesitant (in fact, more than hesitant, I don't do it) to carry large amounts of cash for fuel. So I end up paying the penalty for using a credit card.

What are other's thoughts on cash as an option?
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I do like the idea of a fuel truck. Granted the 100 gal to fill my tank wouldn't be worth anyone's time but if a group from the same marina got together you could likely get a lower price.
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I am complaining at the cost of beer, but buying a 6 pack has less consequences than 1000 litres of boat diesel.
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Paying cash was mentioned above and is certainly a way of saving money. I guess is practical depending on size of tank. But for those purchasing 1000 gallons or more, is it really a practical solution to carry that amount of cash around? I know in business we had cargo planes that occasionally flew to Europe and we did withdraw adequate cash and give it to the pilots for those trips since that was the required method of payment, but sending pilots with $100,000 of cash was a bit unsettling. And as a pleasure boater on a long cruise, I'm also very hesitant (in fact, more than hesitant, I don't do it) to carry large amounts of cash for fuel. So I end up paying the penalty for using a credit card.

What are other's thoughts on cash as an option?
Just as a few examples, Florida Petroleum (now part of Port Consolidated) in Fernandina and Ocean Petroleum in Brunswick Ga, both commercial-oriented docks, took my personal checks as "cash" for several thousand dollars worth of fuel. I recall Port Petroleum in Ft Pierce (now also PC) did the same, but that was a long time ago.. Morehead City Yacht Basin, our home marina, same thing. Many of the truck deliveries will also accept checks as cash. So call ahead and find out. You'll find it is more common than not.

I said to the guy at FP the first time I went there, gee that is very trusting of you. Hadn't even asked for my driver's license. He said, oh not really, a boat like yours is real easy to find.
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